Geometric Progression: Calculating the nth Partial Sum

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The discussion revolves around calculating the nth partial sum of the series 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ... Participants are exploring the properties of geometric series and the implications of their formulas in this context.

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  • Some participants attempt to apply the formula for the nth partial sum of a geometric series but express confusion over the results they obtain. Others question the validity of their substitutions and the implications of dropping terms in the summation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about their calculations and the behavior of the series. There is a suggestion to adjust the summation index to include the first term, which may clarify the confusion regarding the results.

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Some participants are also discussing the divergence of the series \sum \frac{1}{n+1} and its comparison to \sum \frac{1}{n}, indicating a broader exploration of series convergence and divergence principles.

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what is the nth partial sum of

[itex]1-x+x^2-x^3+..[/itex]

i don't understand why i can't do this?

i have [itex]\sum_{k=1}^{n} ar^k=\frac{a(r^{n+1}-r)}{r-1}[/itex]

ok but then when i sub in i get messed up i get [itex]\frac{(-x)^{n+1}+x}{-(1+x)}[/itex] is there any way of simplifying this? also when i set n=1 i get that the sum is -x when it should be 1-x?
 
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Do you know how to derive the nth partial sum of 1 + x + x^2 + ... ?
 
off the top of my head isn't it something like

[itex](1-x)(1+x+x^2+...+x^n)=1-x^{n+1} \Rightarrow 1+x+x^2+...+x^n=\frac{1-x^{n+1}}{1-x}[/itex]
 
also, another thing I'm having trouble seeing is why [itex]\sum \frac{1}{n+1}[/itex] diverges.
my initial instinct was to use the copmarison test with [itex]\sum \frac{1}{n}[/itex] as this diverges.

so if i can show [itex]\frac{1}{1+n} \geq \frac{1}{n}[/itex] then all is well but in fact [itex]\frac{1}{n} \geq \frac{1}{1+n}[/itex] e.g. set n=1 to see

what's going on here?
 
latentcorpse said:
off the top of my head isn't it something like

[itex](1-x)(1+x+x^2+...+x^n)=1-x^{n+1} \Rightarrow 1+x+x^2+...+x^n=\frac{1-x^{n+1}}{1-x}[/itex]
How can you modify this so that it works for [itex]1 - x + x^2 - \cdots[/itex]

latentcorpse said:
also, another thing I'm having trouble seeing is why [itex]\sum \frac{1}{n+1}[/itex] diverges.
my initial instinct was to use the copmarison test with [itex]\sum \frac{1}{n}[/itex] as this diverges.

so if i can show [itex]\frac{1}{1+n} \geq \frac{1}{n}[/itex] then all is well but in fact [itex]\frac{1}{n} \geq \frac{1}{1+n}[/itex] e.g. set n=1 to see

what's going on here?

There's no need for the Comparison Test. Just note that

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n + 1} = \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \cdots = \sum_{n=2}^\infty \frac{1}{n}[/tex]
 
would it have a numerator of [itex]1-(-1)^nx^{n+1}[/itex]?
 
I don't know this of the top of my head, but if you write up what you did to get that, I can look it over.
 
latentcorpse said:
would it have a numerator of [itex]1-(-1)^nx^{n+1}[/itex]?
WHAT would? You started talking about
[tex]\sum_{i= 0}^n (-x)^i[/itex] <br /> and then changed to <br /> [tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{1}{n+1}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Are you back to the first question again?[/tex]
 
latentcorpse said:
what is the nth partial sum of

[itex]1-x+x^2-x^3+..[/itex]

i don't understand why i can't do this?

i have [itex]\sum_{k=1}^{n} ar^k=\frac{a(r^{n+1}-r)}{r-1}[/itex]

ok but then when i sub in i get messed up i get [itex]\frac{(-x)^{n+1}+x}{-(1+x)}[/itex] is there any way of simplifying this? also when i set n=1 i get that the sum is -x when it should be 1-x?

Looking at your equation right here, I notice one problem that would fix it rather quickly. When you tried to find the nth partial sum, you are took:

[itex]\sum_{k=1}^{n} (-x)^k[/itex]

The only problem with this is that when n = 1, you get -x just like you got. You accidentally dropped the first term when you switched to sum notation. Just change it to:

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n} (-x)^k[/itex]

This way, 1 is the first term. Your new equation is:

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n} a*r^k = \frac{a(r^{n + 1} - 1)}{r - 1}[/itex]
 

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