Get a PhD in Physics in 5yrs: UF Bs/Ms Program & High Energy Specialization

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of pursuing a combined Bachelor’s and Master’s degree (Bs/Ms) program in Physics at the University of Florida (UF) followed by a PhD, particularly focusing on the timeline, research experience, and specialization in High Energy Physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the BS/PhD route is likely faster than the BS/MS/PhD route, noting that much of the PhD process involves research rather than coursework.
  • Another participant mentions that while in school, the time spent does not count as work experience, which could be a consideration for future employment.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of entering high energy physics, with one participant stating it is primarily research-focused with limited immediate applications.
  • There is a discussion about the potential drawbacks of not completing a Master’s thesis if one opts for the combined program, which could affect PhD applications if lacking research experience.
  • It is noted that the number of credits for a PhD is less significant than the quality of the dissertation and meeting the committee's standards.
  • One participant advises that unless there is a compelling reason to remain at UF for the PhD, it may be better to pursue the PhD at another institution to gain early integration into a research group.
  • Information is provided about the structure of the combined BS/MS program, including the ability to take graduate credits while still an undergraduate and the recommendation for students intending to pursue a PhD elsewhere to graduate immediately after their bachelor’s degree.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and advisability of the BS/MS/PhD route versus the BS/PhD route, as well as the implications of research experience and the specialization in high energy physics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for students considering these options.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the structure of the programs, the nature of research experience, and the expectations of PhD committees, which may not be universally applicable.

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So I've decided I wanted to attend UF straight through to my PhD I realize this might be looked down upon but It's a thing I'm willing to take. UF has a Bs/Ms program for physics where a student Can get a Masters degree in Physics in 5 years. A master degree takes off 30 credits required for a PhD cutting it down to only 60 credit hours( i think?).

Would this be faster then a Bs then straight PhD?

Uf has undergrad research so does 5 years of research plus PhD research count as work experience? (5+ years experience)?

This question isn't exactly academic but is a High Energy specialization a good bet? Anti matter will be very useful eventually I think.
 
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Almost certainly the BS/PhD route is faster than BS/MS/PhD. In any event, it is not any slower. Keep in mind that most of your Ph.D. is not classes anyway... it's research writing your thesis.

If you are in school, it doesn't count as work experience, sorry.

I suspect that high energy physics is very difficult to get into. It's pretty close to pure research with relatively few applications on the horizon.
 
Even if you enter a PhD program with a bachelors degree, you'll still be taking the masters courses and may have to do a masters thesis - so if you can do the BS and MS in 5 years, that would save you some time. However, you almost certainly won't be doing a MS thesis in that time, and that could potentially hurt you when applying to PhD programs if you don't have any other research experience or publications, so spend your summers doing REU programs or getting experience at your university.

In my experience, the number of credits for the PhD doesn't really matter. It's a matter of finishing the dissertation and being ready to graduate in the eyes of your committee. No matter how many credits you have, you won't get a PhD if your dissertation isn't up to their standards. And if it is, they don't care how many credits you have left to earn.

Unless you have a VERY good reason to stay at UF for the PhD, your professors will recommend you leave with the masters and go elsewhere for the PhD.
 
Combined BS/MS degree program
The Physics department has, like many departments a U.F., a program to allow students to graduate in five years with both a Bachelors and Masters degree by taking up to 12 graduate credits while still an undergraduate. This program is good for students who intend to stay in the U.F. Physics department for Ph.D. work and also for students who are going to graduate school in a discipline other than Physics. For students who intend to go to graduate school in Physics elsewhere we recommend that you go to your intended graduate school immediately after graduation so that you can be integrated into a research group as soon as possible. It is also worth mentioning that the U.F. Physics department typically only has enough funds to support our Ph.D. students - not students in a terminal masters degree. Qualified undergraduates can take graduate courses regardless of their participation in this program.
 

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