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The discussion revolves around problems related to force and potential energy, specifically within the context of conservation of energy in physics. Participants express confusion about the relationship between force and potential energy, as well as how to incorporate kinetic energy into their reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to connect force with potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning how these concepts interact in the context of the problems presented. Some express uncertainty about the equations and how to apply them, while others suggest starting points for understanding the conservation of energy.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of energy and the relationships between potential and kinetic energy, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of homework rules that discourage direct solutions, leading to a focus on understanding concepts rather than solving the problems outright. There is a noted struggle with integrating different forms of energy and applying them to the problems at hand.

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kivilumi said:
Show work if possible please.

Shouldn't that be what we here would say to you? Psst, forum rules.
 
Sorry, I just need at least help starting. Physics is blowing my mind.
 
Ok, I'm still totally stuck but I think F = mv^2 / r. I'm not sure how to incorporate the other variables... I'm not exactly sure how Potential Energy can be replaced with force... so I'm stuck

I think I need to mix in Kinetic Energy somewhere... but I'm not positive at all where. That's pretty much as far as I can get...
 
For the first question, this is a conservation of energy problem. The total energy (potential mgh + kinetic 1/2mv^2) remains constant. Depending on how much potential you have at each point, you can therefore calculate the corresponding kinetic energy.

Knowing kinetic energy means knowing velocity if mass is given. There is a direct relationship between centripetal force and velocity.
 
Omg thanks so much. So mgh +1/2mv^2 = E net?
Or is it mgh + 1/2mv^2 = mg(2r) + 1/2mv^2?
 
What I said about the total energy being constant is that you first find a point where BOTH the potential and kinetic energies are known so you may evaluate this constant. We should choose the point where it is at the top of the slope, then KE = 0, and PE = mgh. So we now know the total energy of the system. The total energy anywhere else in the system must be equal to this.

At the point at the top of the circle, you have mg(2r) + 1/2mv^2 = mgh as you stated ^^
 
That makes sense. If mg(2r) + 1/2mv^2 = mgh represents the total energy in terms of the top of the circle, would mg(2r) = mgh - 1/2mv^2 represent the energy at the bottom?

Actually I don't know about that previous statement...could I solve for v = (2gh - 2g(2r))^(1/2) and then plug that into F = mv^2/r?
 
Apparently, you are still jumbling with the equations without much understanding. We should always discuss physics using concepts, then use equations to quantify them.

You know the total energy of the system (PE + KE) at any point is always mgh. Because of the given information, you always know the potential energy, thus kinetic energy can always be found. Kinetic energy is described by mass and velocity. If you know one, you can always find the other right?

If you want to find the kinetic energy at the bottom of the ramp, what are the conditions for the PE and KE?

If you have solved legitimately for v using the conservation of energy concepts, there is no reason you cannot use it in other calculations.
 

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