Get rid of transuranians in Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential of Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors (LFTRs) as a future energy source, particularly in relation to their ability to manage transuranian waste from traditional nuclear reactors. Participants explore the feasibility, advantages, and challenges associated with LFTRs, including their waste management capabilities and the implications of using thorium as fuel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enthusiasm for LFTRs, suggesting they could eliminate long-lived transuranian waste by reprocessing it within the reactor.
  • Others argue that the advantages of LFTRs are often exaggerated and that many benefits, such as fuel reprocessing, can apply to other reactor types as well.
  • A participant raises concerns about the challenges of maintaining liquid fuel and the complexities of reprocessing, suggesting that the economic viability of such processes is uncertain.
  • There is a discussion about the decay heat load primarily coming from fission products rather than transuranics, questioning the necessity of removing transuranics for safety.
  • Some participants highlight that thorium requires more neutron activations before becoming plutonium or americium, which could be an advantage in waste management.
  • Concerns are raised about the significant quantities of radioactive waste that exist and the practicality of feeding transuranics into LFTRs.
  • Participants note that some molten salt reactor (MSR) designs may not require reprocessing, which could lead to significant fission product loading.
  • There is mention of the historical context of research at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) and the challenges faced in reactor design related to transuranics and fission products.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the advantages and feasibility of LFTRs, with multiple competing views on the effectiveness of using thorium and the management of transuranic waste. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the economic and technical challenges associated with LFTRs.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of waste management, the economic implications of reprocessing, and the unresolved technical challenges related to maintaining liquid fuel and reactor safety.

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Astronuc said:
Atmospheric pressure at the top of the highest point in the primary system, but going down to the bottom of the core under a few meters of the liquid fuel, the pressure will be greater by ρgh, so the bottom of the core will be several atmospheres. I imagine there will be some kind of containment to collect the radioactive gases and volatiles in the event of the break in the primary system, and particularly where the steam generator is located, since the steam pressure is likely to be on the order of 900 to 1000 psi. A steam-fluorine reaction would be problematic with respect to HF gas.

Note that a commercial scale has not yet been constructed let alone designed. As far as I know, none of the promoters/advocates in the US have designed or constructed any type of nuclear plant.

The pgh at the bottom of a salt tank would be on a liquid, which if exposed via a leak would have no phase change flash. A secondary salt loop is usually considered, so that if a Rankine cycle is used eventually involving steam there is no radioactivity involved . Given the high temperatures afforded by a lftr core, a Brayton cycle seems likely. In any case, containment would not have the problem of dealing with high pressure (300atm) gases.
 

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