Given 3 points how to find the centre and radius of a circle in 3 D?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the center and radius of a circle in three-dimensional space given three points. Participants explore the geometric implications and mathematical formulations related to this problem, including considerations of whether the points define a circle or a sphere.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the three points define a sphere or if they are arbitrary points within or on the surface of a sphere.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical equation involving determinants to relate the points in a two-dimensional context, suggesting a method for finding a circle.
  • A different participant argues that three points are insufficient to define a sphere, asserting that four points are necessary, while also noting that points inside the sphere do not belong to the sphere.
  • One participant proposes finding the plane through the three points and then determining the perpendicular bisectors of segments formed by pairs of points, suggesting that the intersection of these planes would yield the circle's center.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether three points can define a circle or a sphere, with some asserting that four points are necessary for a sphere. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of three points for defining a circle in three-dimensional space.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the spatial arrangement of the points and the definitions of circles and spheres in three dimensions. The mathematical steps and implications of the proposed methods remain unresolved.

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Given 3 points how to find the centre and radius of a circle in 3 D??

Say the 3 points are (a,b,c),(a1.b1,c1) and (a2,b2,c2)...
 
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Do you mean a sphere? Are these arbitrary points anywhere in the sphere or on the surface?
 
Here is the equation of the points {x_i,y_i} for i = 1,2,3 in terms of the variables x and y:

[tex] \left|<br /> \begin{array}{llll}<br /> x^2+y^2 & x & y & 1 \\<br /> x_1^2+y_1^2 & x_1 & y_1 & 1 \\<br /> x_2^2+y_2^2 & x_2 & y_2 & 1 \\<br /> x_3^2+y_3^2 & x_3 & y_3 & 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right|=0[/tex]
 
Do you mean a sphere? Are these arbitrary points anywhere in the sphere or on the surface?

Three points are not enough to define the sphere. Four will do the trick (unless they will not, but you need four at least). Points inside the sphere do not belong to the sphere. IMHO question is very precise.
 
Borek you are absolutely right. I just wanted to make sure.
 
one might find the plane through the three points, then choosing two pairs of points, find the plane perpendicular bisector of the segments they determine.

these three planes should meet at the center of the circle.
 

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