Given a current, calculate the charge distribution

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The problem involves calculating the charge distribution for a ring with a specified current density in spherical coordinates. The original poster is uncertain about the implications of the ring's radius and how it affects the charge density, which is initially considered to be zero.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using the continuity equation and the divergence theorem to relate current density to charge density. There are attempts to evaluate the divergence of the current density and integrate it over time, with some questioning the correctness of the expressions derived.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on evaluating the divergence and clarifying the distinction between angles in spherical coordinates. There is recognition of the need to ensure that the charge density is zero at the initial time, and some participants express uncertainty about the derived expressions.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definition of the "ring of radius R" and its relevance to the problem. Additionally, participants are addressing the implications of the current density on the charge distribution over time, with concerns about the behavior of the charge density as time progresses.

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Homework Statement


A ring of radius R has a current density ##\vec J=J(r, \theta) \sin \phi \hat \phi## where phi is the azimuthal angle in spherical coordinates. Calculate the charge distribution considering that it was initially null.

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Not sure. Maybe ##\nabla \cdot \vec J + \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0##.
The divergence theorem.

The Attempt at a Solution


So my idea was to maybe use the continuity equation that I wrote above. From it, I am not sure what to do. Maybe integrate in space so that I can use the divergence theorem, in other words I can reach that ##\int _S \vec J \cdot d\vec A + \int \frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}dV=0##. But I am stuck there because I don't know how to calculate ##\vec J \cdot d\vec A##.

Then my other idea is to integrate the continuity equation with respect to time, but again I'm not sure how to do this...
I'd appreciate a little push in the right direction, thanks!
 
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I'm not sure what "ring of radius R" means. Maybe it's a ring as shown below. Anyway, I don't think R will play a role.

My guess is that they want you to come up with an expression for ##\rho(r, \theta, \phi, t)##. The continuity equation seems like a good approach. What do you get explicitly for ##\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}## by evaluating the divergence of ##\vec{J}##?
 

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TSny said:
I'm not sure what "ring of radius R" means. Maybe it's a ring as shown below. Anyway, I don't think R will play a role.

My guess is that they want you to come up with an expression for ##\rho(r, \theta, \phi, t)##. The continuity equation seems like a good approach. What do you get explicitly for ##\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}## by evaluating the divergence of ##\vec{J}##?
Yes that's exactly it and what they ask for.
I took the divergence in spherical coordinates, I reached ##\nabla \cdot \vec J = J(r, \theta ) \frac{\cot \theta}{r}=-\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}##.
That would make ##\rho = - \frac{J(r,\theta) \cot (\theta ) t}{r} + f(r, \theta)## where f is an arbitrary function appearing when I integrated ##\partial \rho##... The result doesn't look right to me, especially this dependence on t, which seems to grow up infinitely.
 
I don't get your expression for the divergence. Make sure to distinguish ##\theta## from ##\phi##.

At t = 0 you want ##\rho## to be zero everywhere.

As long as this peculiar current flows, the charge density will grow (positive in some places and negative in others).
 
TSny said:
I don't get your expression for the divergence. Make sure to distinguish ##\theta## from ##\phi##.

At t = 0 you want ##\rho## to be zero everywhere.

As long as this peculiar current flows, the charge density will grow (positive in some places and negative in others).
\nabla \cdot \vec J ={1 \over r^2}{\partial \left( r^2 J_r \right) \over \partial r}<br /> + {1 \over r\sin\theta}{\partial \over \partial \theta} \left( J_\theta\sin\theta \right)<br /> + {1 \over r\sin\theta}{\partial J_\phi \over \partial \phi} but ##J_r=J_\theta=0## because ##\vec J = J_\phi \hat \phi##. I found that divergence formula in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_in_cylindrical_and_spherical_coordinates, and the convention used is theta is zenithal while phi is azimuthal, same convention that I use.
 
How do you get a cotangent of theta out of this? Shoudn't the numerator end up with a cosine of phi instead of a cosine of theta?
 
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TSny said:
How do you get a cotangent of theta out of this? Shoudn't the numerator end up with a cosine of phi instead of a cosine of theta?
My bad, you are correct. I reach ##\rho = - J(r, \theta ) \frac{\cos \phi}{r\sin \theta}t##.
 
That looks correct.
 
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