Given a sequence 1,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5

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The discussion revolves around a sequence where each integer k appears k times consecutively. Participants are tasked with finding the 1989th term of the sequence and the sum of the first 1989 terms.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the sequence and the sum of integers, questioning how to determine the position of the 1989th term. Some suggest using the formula for the sum of the first n integers and consider the implications of solving a quadratic equation.

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There are multiple approaches being discussed, with some participants providing hints and rephrasing the problem to facilitate understanding. No consensus has been reached, but various lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of the sequence's structure and how it relates to known mathematical series, while also questioning the assumptions behind the formulas being applied.

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Given a sequence 1,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,... ie the integer k occurs k times as consecutive terms .

(a) Find the 1989th term

(b) Find the sum of the first 1989 term .

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some hints ?
 
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So there are 1 "1", 2 "2"s, 3 "3"s, etc. That means there will be 1+ 2+ 3+ ...+ (n-1) numbers before the first appearence of the number n. That's a well known series, its sum is (1/2)n(n-1). To the 1989th term (that's an old problem!) try to solve (1/2)n(n- 1)= 1989. That's the same as [itex]n(n-1)= n^2- n= 2(1989)= 3978[/itex].

Solve [itex]n^2- n- 3978= 0[/itex] with the quadratic formula. The solution probably will not be an integer, but that will be because you are in the middle of the set of that "n" in the sequence. Take the integer part.
 


HallsofIvy said:
So there are 1 "1", 2 "2"s, 3 "3"s, etc. That means there will be 1+ 2+ 3+ ...+ (n-1) numbers before the first appearence of the number n. That's a well known series, its sum is (1/2)n(n-1). To the 1989th term (that's an old problem!) try to solve (1/2)n(n- 1)= 1989. That's the same as [itex]n(n-1)= n^2- n= 2(1989)= 3978[/itex].

Solve [itex]n^2- n- 3978= 0[/itex] with the quadratic formula. The solution probably will not be an integer, but that will be because you are in the middle of the set of that "n" in the sequence. Take the integer part.

thanks ! But shouldn't it be 1+2+3+...+n

then , 1/2n(n+1)=1989 and n=63 ?
 


A good hint, I think, is to re-write the series 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 3 + . . . as (1) + (2 + 2) + (3 + 3 + 3) + (4 + 4 + 4 + 4) . . .

Then instead of adding, re-write each bracket as a product: 1(1) + 2(2) + 3(3) + 4(4) + ...

Do you see where to go from here?
 

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