First-order homogeneous recurrence relation with variable coefficient

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The discussion revolves around finding an explicit formula for a recursive sequence defined by the relation v_n = (2/(1+q^n))v_{n-1}, where 0 < q < 1. This falls under the subject area of recurrence relations, specifically first-order homogeneous relations with variable coefficients.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to calculate a product to find A_n, with some expressing uncertainty about how to approach this calculation. There is also a reference to using Wikipedia as a resource for solving the recurrence relation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the recursive structure of the sequence, suggesting a direct approach to derive the terms. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed, as questions about the calculations remain open.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the recursive formula and the implications of the variable coefficient, with some noting the homogeneity of the sequence and the challenges posed by the product calculation.

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Homework Statement


I need to find the explicit formula for the following recursive sequence:
##v_n=\frac{2}{1+q^n}v_{n-1}## where ##0<q<1## is a constant

Homework Equations


I found the following method to solve it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recur...currence_relations_with_variable_coefficients

The Attempt at a Solution


Referring to Wikipedia, first I need to find
17c893a3d10387a0e30d23ec17df41bed06f1e09
, where
8c6f3cb8cc40110dc2469832ef2610375a2f20c2

My sequence is homogenous so ##g_n = 0##

I'm already in a problem at the beginning. In order to find ##A_n## I need to calculate##\prod_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{2}{1+q^k} = 2^{n-1}\prod_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{1+q^k}##
I don't really have any idea how to do this. Can you give me some hint?
 
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Robin04 said:

Homework Statement


I need to find the explicit formula for the following recursive sequence:
##v_n=\frac{2}{1+q^n}v_{n-1}## where ##0<q<1## is a constant

Homework Equations


I found the following method to solve it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recur...currence_relations_with_variable_coefficients

The Attempt at a Solution


Referring to Wikipedia, first I need to find
17c893a3d10387a0e30d23ec17df41bed06f1e09
, where
8c6f3cb8cc40110dc2469832ef2610375a2f20c2

My sequence is homogenous so ##g_n = 0##

I'm already in a problem at the beginning. In order to find ##A_n## I need to calculate##\prod_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{2}{1+q^k} = 2^{n-1}\prod_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{1+q^k}##
I don't really have any idea how to do this. Can you give me some hint?

You are done; that is about as simple a formula as can possibly be found.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You are done; that is about as simple a formula as can possibly be found.
Don't you also get the result that ##\displaystyle \ A_{n} = A_{n-1} \ \dots \ ## so that ##\displaystyle \ A_{n} = A_{0} \,?##
 
SammyS said:
Don't you also get the result that ##\displaystyle \ A_{n} = A_{n-1} \ \dots \ ## so that ##\displaystyle \ A_{n} = A_{0} \,?##
Using the recursion directly (and not bothering to look up formulas in Wikipedia) we have
$$ \begin{array}{rcl}
v_1 &=& \frac{2}{1+q} v_0 \\
v_2&=& \frac{2}{1+q^2} v_1 = \frac{2^2}{(1+q)(1+q^2)} v_0 \\
v_3 &=& \frac{2}{1+q^3} v_2 = \frac{2^3}{(1+q)(1+q^2)(1+q^3)} v_0 \\
\vdots & \vdots &\hspace{4em} \vdots
\end{array} $$ So
$$v_n = 2^n \left( \prod_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{1+q^k} \right) \: v_0,$$ and it does not get simpler than that.
 
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