Triangle determined by arithmetic and geometric sequences

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The discussion revolves around determining triangles where the sides are consecutive elements of a geometric sequence and the angles are consecutive elements of an arithmetic sequence. Participants explore the relationships between these sequences and the properties of triangles.

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  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to approach the problem, suggesting the need for equations linking the geometric and arithmetic sequences.
  • Others attempt to define the angles and sides of the triangle, using notation and relationships derived from the sequences.
  • There are discussions about applying the law of cosines and the law of sines, with varying degrees of success and clarity.
  • Some participants question their understanding of the problem's requirements, particularly regarding the definitions of sequences.
  • One participant concludes that the triangle must be equilateral based on their findings, while others suggest that there may be infinitely many possibilities for valid triangles.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into potential relationships between the angles and sides, while others are still grappling with the problem's requirements. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

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Participants note the importance of the angle sum requirement for triangles and the specific conditions imposed by the geometric and arithmetic sequences. There is acknowledgment of misunderstandings regarding the problem's description, particularly concerning the nature of the sequences involved.

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Homework Statement


Determine the triangles where the sides are consecutive elements of a geometric sequence and the angles are consecutive elements of an arithmetic sequence.

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I don't really know how to approach this problem, what the solution would look like. I suppose it should be one or more equations that link the geometric and the arithmetic sequence.
Maybe the law of cosine but I don't know what to do with the cosines there.
 
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EDIT: Not all of this is correct, since I misunderstood part of the description.

I don't quite have it either. My attempt right now is this:
Draw triangle. Points A, B, C for the angles. Sides a, b, c which are opposite from the points. Lower case for the sides and upper case for the vertices.

Accordingly with your given conditions,
c/b=b/a
and
B=A+1 and C=A+2

Angle Sum requirement should mean that A+B+C=180 degrees;
A+(A+1)+(A+2)=180
A=59

Now, since A is found and you expected as described arithmetic progression,
A=59
and
B=60
and
C=61.Next appears to be Law Of Sines as useful.
sin(59)/a=sin(60)/b=sin(61)/c
and this chain of equalities can be cut down by one variable
if trying a=(1/c)b^2
then
sin(59)/((b^2)/c)=sin(60)/b=sin(61)/c-----------which can be split into TWO equations in TWO variables of b and c.I have not worked further...

(See above. Some of the work is wrong.)
 
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Robin04 said:

Homework Statement


Determine the triangles where the sides are consecutive elements of a geometric sequence and the angles are consecutive elements of an arithmetic sequence.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really know how to approach this problem, what the solution would look like. I suppose it should be one or more equations that link the geometric and the arithmetic sequence.
Maybe the law of cosine but I don't know what to do with the cosines there.

Yes, use the law of cosines with the one angle you know.
 
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I found it! This can only be an equilateral triangle.

First I played with the angle as https://www.physicsforums.com/members/symbolipoint.58864/ suggested.
Let the angles be ##\alpha_1 , \alpha_2, \alpha_3##
##\alpha_1## must be given by the arithmetic sequence, and then
##\alpha_2 = \alpha_1 + d##
##\alpha_3 = \alpha_1 + 2d##

As they must add up to 180 degrees, we get that ##\alpha_2 = 60^{\circ} , and \alpha_3 = \alpha_1 + d## , which was quite suprising for me.
Then I used the law of cosines and substituted the sides with the following notation:
Sides are ##x_1, x_2, x_3##
##x_2 =x_1 \cdot q##
##x_3 = x_1 \cdot q^2##

Got the following equations:
##q^2 + q^4 -2q^3 \cos{\alpha_1} -1 = 0##
##q^4-2q^2+1 = 0##
##1+q^2-q^4-q(\cos{d} - \sqrt{3} \sin{d}) = 0##

From the second equation we get that q can be 1 and -1, substituting those into the first one we get that ##\alpha_1## is 60 degrees too, so this has to be an equilateral triangle. I don't know any method to solve the third equation for d but d=0 works fine.
 
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Trigonometry is my favourite part of math. So thanks for the interesting question and well done for solving it.
 
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I obviously misunderstood part of the description: Arithmetic Sequence instead of Consecutive Whole Numbers. Why did I do that? Otherwise my method was good(? maybe).
 
Robin04 said:
I found it! This can only be an equilateral triangle.

First I played with the angle as https://www.physicsforums.com/members/symbolipoint.58864/ suggested.
Let the angles be ##\alpha_1 , \alpha_2, \alpha_3##
##\alpha_1## must be given by the arithmetic sequence, and then
##\alpha_2 = \alpha_1 + d##
##\alpha_3 = \alpha_1 + 2d##

As they must add up to 180 degrees, we get that ##\alpha_2 = 60^{\circ} , and \alpha_3 = \alpha_1 + d## , which was quite suprising for me.
Then I used the law of cosines and substituted the sides with the following notation:
Sides are ##x_1, x_2, x_3##
##x_2 =x_1 \cdot q##
##x_3 = x_1 \cdot q^2##

Got the following equations:
##q^2 + q^4 -2q^3 \cos{\alpha_1} -1 = 0##
##q^4-2q^2+1 = 0##
##1+q^2-q^4-q(\cos{d} - \sqrt{3} \sin{d}) = 0##

From the second equation we get that q can be 1 and -1, substituting those into the first one we get that ##\alpha_1## is 60 degrees too, so this has to be an equilateral triangle. I don't know any method to solve the third equation for d but d=0 works fine.

If the angles are ##\alpha_1, \alpha_1+d## and ##\alpha_1+2d##, they need to add up to ##180^{\circ},## so you need
$$3 \alpha_1 + 3d = 180 \hspace{3ex} (1)$$ Any ##\alpha_1 > 0## and ##d \geq 0## that satisfy (1) will give the angles of a valid triangle, and that means that there will be infinitely many possibilities.
 
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If the angles are ##\alpha_1, \alpha_1+d## and ##\alpha_1+2d##, they need to add up to ##180^{\circ},## so you need
$$3 \alpha_1 + 3d = 180 \hspace{3ex} (1)$$ Any ##\alpha_1 > 0## and ##d \geq 0## that satisfy (1) will give the angles of a valid triangle, and that means that there will be infinitely many possibilities.
But there's another condition: the sides should be three consecutive elements of a geometric sequence. That cannot be satisfied only by (1).
 

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