Given a triangle ABC, on which side of the triangle does the point D lie?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the position of a point D relative to a triangle ABC in 3D space. Participants explore the necessary information and methods required to ascertain whether point D lies on one side of the triangle or the other, considering various interpretations of "side." The conversation includes theoretical approaches and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the general approach to determine the side of the triangle where point D lies, emphasizing the need for specific information.
  • Another participant suggests that having the coordinates of points A, B, C, and D is essential to define the sides of the triangle and apply the right-hand rule for orientation.
  • There is mention of using vectors formed by the triangle's vertices and the normal vector derived from the cross product to determine the side based on dot products.
  • Participants discuss the interpretation of "side," distinguishing between the side of the triangle's plane and the specific edges of the triangle itself.
  • Questions arise about the implications of not having coordinates for the triangle's vertices and how that affects the ability to solve the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessary information and methods for determining the position of point D. There is no consensus on a single approach, and multiple interpretations of the problem exist.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific coordinates for the triangle's vertices and point D, which complicates the discussion. The varying interpretations of "side" add to the complexity of the problem.

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So I've got the following problem:

I have points A, B, and C which form a triangle in a 3D space (each point of the triangle has x,y, and z coordinates). I need to find out on which side of the triangle point D lies. I do not have access to the normal of the triangle.

How am I supposed to solve this problem?
 
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If you have the nine coordinates, then you have the plane and therewith the normal. If not, what do you have?
 
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fresh_42 said:
If you have the nine coordinates, then you have the plane and therewith the normal. If not, what do you have?
I am not given any coordinates for the problem, actually, I am asking what kind of information I need so that I can solve the problem. Like a general way of solving it if that makes sense. After I have the normal how would I approach the question?
 
By the right-hand rule or something. In order to determine a side you must first have criteria to distinguish them. Two vectors spanning the plane, plus the normal give you either the right or left hand.
 
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The coordinates of the four points, ##A, B, C, D##, is all the information you need. You first must define which "side" is which.
Suppose you define the side by the cross product between the ##V_1 = \bar{AB}## and ##V_2 = \bar{AC}## vectors. Using the right-hand rule, form the cross product ## N=V_1 \times V_2##. One side would be those points, ##X##, where the vector from ##A## to ##X## has a positive dot product with ##N##. The other side would have a negative dot product with ##N##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
If you have the nine coordinates, then you have the plane
And three lines. Plug and check.
VladStoyanoff said:
I am not given any coordinates for the problem
What then does it mean to say you have three points? What do you have about them if not their location?
 
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There are two ways of interpreting "side of the triangle".
One is which side of the triangles plane does point D land.
The other is which of the three sides of the triangle does point D land.

Go with @FactChecker for the first interpretation.

Else, I would start with vectors AD, BD, and CD.
What will their various cross products be?
 
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