Given an average cost function, calculate output level

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The discussion revolves around calculating the output level (q) that minimizes average variable cost and marginal cost based on a given average cost function. Participants explore the mathematical implications of the function, including the use of calculus and the quadratic formula, while addressing challenges in solving the equations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the average cost function and asks how to find the output level that minimizes average variable cost and marginal cost, expressing uncertainty about fixed costs.
  • Post 2 suggests using differential calculus to find the minimum average cost by taking the derivative of the average cost function and setting it to zero.
  • Post 3 simplifies the marginal cost equation and questions the application of the quadratic formula, indicating potential issues with the signs in the equation.
  • Post 4 corrects a previous participant's sign error, noting that the roots of the equation have nonzero imaginary parts.
  • Post 5 proposes a solution to the quadratic equation, suggesting roots of the form 4±4√6.
  • Post 7 asks how to find the zeros of a cubic equation by hand or if graphing is necessary.
  • Post 8 mentions that while there is a method to solve the cubic equation by hand, it is complex and suggests finding one root to simplify the process.
  • Post 9 shares a numerical solution found using a graphing calculator, indicating one real root at approximately 8.66.
  • Post 10 clarifies that the other roots of the cubic equation are complex, as the graph shows only one intersection with the x-axis.
  • Post 11 reiterates the difficulty in finding zeros for the marginal cost equation.
  • Post 12 reformulates the marginal cost equation and indicates that it also leads to imaginary roots.
  • Post 13 shifts focus to the broader business context, suggesting that the minimum value of q is at the left endpoint of the interval of interest, concluding that the optimal solution might be to not engage in business at all.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods to solve the equations, with some agreeing on the use of calculus while others highlight issues with imaginary roots. There is no consensus on the final output level or the implications of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations, including potential sign errors and the complexity of solving cubic equations. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the applicability of the quadratic formula in this context.

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A firm faces the following Average Cost function:

AC=50q^-1 +30-1.5q+0.125q^2

Calculate the output level (q) which minimzies
a) Average Variable cost
How do i find this out if i don't know the amount of fixed cost?


b) Marginal cost
Total cost=50+30q-1.5q^2+0.125q^3
MC=30-3q+0.375q^2
0=30-3q+0.375q^2
how do you solve this? the quadratic formula doesn't seem to work
 
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Basically, AC is equal to that equation. The basic theory is that if we graphed it, and found the lowest point on that graph, that would be the minimum AC.

Now, to do that by hand, we need Differential Calculus, which I hope you have done. We have the Function AC=\frac{q^2}{8} -1.5q +\frac{50}{q} +30. We take the derivative with respect to q, we get \frac{d}{dx} AC=\frac{q}{4}-1.5-\frac{50}{q^2}. Now we set that equal to zero to find the lowest point. Make some manipulations and it should work out fine.
 
O, as for b), Why doesn't the quadratic equation work? Simplified it Looks like this:
\frac{1}{8} q^2 -q-10=0
By the quadratic formula you get \frac {1+- (41)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{2}

The +- part is plus/minus, not plus the negative.
 
He's right. You messed up a "+" sign. The equation he got has indeed roots with nonzero imaginary part.

Daniel.
 
the solution to this equation \frac{1}{8} q^2 -q-10=0 is i think 4\pm4\sqrt{6}
 
My god I am very stupid, I had a brain fart...

Edit: O wait no, i think i had it right...different equation...
 
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first question:
how do i find the zeros for this equation
q/4-1.5-50/q^2
is there a way to do it by hand or you just have to graph it?
 
Hmm there is a way to do it by hand, but its a total pain in the ass And i don't think you would like it much. This is a cubic equation, which can be solved using Cardanos Method, but seriously, You will pee your pants..There are 3 zeros for this equation. If you can guess and check and find just 1, then its much much easier.
 
i used graphing calculator and found that one zero is 8.66, how can i use this and find other roots?
 
  • #10
the other roots are not real (complex). if you have drawn the curve using a graphing calculator, you can see that the curve intersects the x-axis in only one point. that point is the only real solution.
 
  • #11
ok, so the only solution is 8.66

for b)
the equation i got is 0=30-3q+0.375q^2
which i have trouble finding zero for.
 
  • #12
for b) your equation is the same as
\frac{3}{8}q^2 - 3q + 30 = 0

q = \frac{3 \pm \sqrt{(-3)^2 - 4\left(\frac{3}{8}\right)(30)}}{2\left(\frac{3}{8}\right)}

but this also leads to imaginary roots.
 
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  • #13
I think the responses so far are somewhat too bogged down in the details of computing the solution. Take a step back and look at the original problem, which is a business/economics question. Whate value of q minimizes the marginal cost? Standard calculus procedure: determine where (a) derivative is zero, (b) derivative changes sign discontinuously, (c) the endpoints of the region of interest lie. Since this is a polynomial, (b) does not apply, and (a) leads to no solution. That leaves (c). What is the interval of interest? q represents the number of items manufactured or sold. It cannot be a negative number, so the interval of interest is the positive reals (or integers if you wish). Since the derivative is a parabola with positive leading coefficient, the derivative has a minimum but no maxumum. Since there are no zeroes, the minimum must be positive. Therefore the derivative is everywhere positive. Hence the minimum value of q is at the left endpoint of the interval of interest, i.e q=0. Conclusion, to lower your marginal cost, you should get out of this business altogether, since doing no business at all is the optimum solution.

Hope this helps!

--Stuart Anderson
 

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