Glueballs - definitive detection

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and complexities associated with the detection of glueballs, a theoretical state of gluons in quantum chromodynamics (QCD). Participants explore the implications of glueball existence, their mixing with other states, and the current state of research in this area.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the significance of glueballs, suggesting that physical states without quark-antiquark (qqbar) content may not exist.
  • There is a suggestion that glueballs may be short-lived phenomena due to potential screening effects that prevent mixing with other states.
  • Some participants assert that glueballs are theoretically well-established and required by the Standard Model, with credible candidates observed, though definitive detection remains elusive.
  • Concerns are raised about the mixing of glueballs with conventional qqbar mesonic states, complicating their detection.
  • One participant notes that while unconventional glueballs may not mix with conventional states, they have not been clearly observed yet.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the historical calculations of glueball properties, emphasizing their theoretical basis and the challenges in observing pure glueball resonances due to mixing with non-glueball states.
  • The GlueX experiment at Jefferson Labs is mentioned as a current research effort focused on glueball detection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views regarding the existence and detection of glueballs, with no consensus reached. Some believe in their theoretical foundation, while others emphasize the complications arising from mixing with other states.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of glueballs, including unresolved issues regarding their mixing with other hadronic states and the dependence on theoretical models.

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I was reading Muller's book on pQCD and I read on gluonium and it seems according to Wiki that its name changed to Glueballs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glueball

Why is it so hard to get a definitive detection of such a quantum state of gluons?

Thanks!
 
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There probably is not a physical state with no qqbar content, so does it matter?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
There probably is not a physical state with no qqbar content, so does it matter?
Why is that?
 
Because gg and ggg couple to qqbar. Why wouldn't they mix?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Because gg and ggg couple to qqbar. Why wouldn't they mix?
Perhaps there's some screening that doesn't allow them to mix temporarily.
So perhaps Glueball (or Gluonium which I prefer) is short lived phenomena, very short lived.
 
I thought glueballs were very well established theoretically and, in fact, required by the Standard Model. And that a number of credible candidates have been observed.
 
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websterling said:
I thought glueballs were very well established theoretically and, in fact, required by the Standard Model. And that a number of credible candidates have been observed.
According to wikipedia, they are only candidates not a definitive detection.
I wonder when will they become definitive? and how do they become definitive?
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
I wonder when will they become definitive? and how do they become definitive?
Never, because the states mix.
 
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Well, there are the glueballs with "unconventional quantum numbers" which don't mix with conventional ##q\bar{q}## mesonic states, but they haven't been clearly been seen (let alone discovered) yet. See, e.g., (open access):

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nuclphysb.2016.01.017
 
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I don't think that entirely solves the problem, as these ggg states mix with qqbarg.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
According to wikipedia, they are only candidates not a definitive detection.
I wonder when will they become definitive? and how do they become definitive?
One of the very first things calculated with QCD once it was invented in the last 1970s and early 1980s were the complete set of properties of the pure glueball resonances in their ground states. This is because the calculation of a glueball resonance is less dependent upon experimentally measured physical constants of the Standard Model in addition to the strong force coupling constant, than those of any other hadron which dependents upon the strong force coupling constant and other Standard Model physical constants already at tree-level, making the complications much more difficult to make. Another benefit of present in doing these calculations is that they have a higher degree of symmetry than many QCD calculations.

Those calculations have since been refined to higher precision with more loops included in the calculations as more effort and more computational power has become available.

Since then, we've observed the physically existing resonances in those mass ranges for the quantum numbers that different kinds of glueballs would have to have close to comprehensively, and have not seen the predicted pure glueball resonances. This is because the energies necessary to form a glueball, in theory, at least, are far smaller than the energies of, for example, the Large Hadron Collider, or the formerly active Tevatron collider at Fermilab. So, we infer that in physical reality, glueball resonances are almost always mixed with non-glueball hadron states.

As a result, the best one can hope for, realistically, is a description of some hadron resonances that are "perfectly" explained by a specific glueball resonance mixed with other non-glueball hadron resonances, in a way that can be post-dicted from the examples giving you the insight to other examples that weren't used directly to generate the prediction.

Since we can explain almost all baryons and pseudo-scalar and ordinary vector mesons properties with little or no invocation of glueball elements, realistically, glueballs are primarily observed in mixes that give rise to some scalar mesons and axial vector meson resonances (which don't have ready explanations in an oversimplified constituent quark model that is sufficient to describe the spectrum of ground states of other hadrons which we observe).

The Jefferson Labs in Newport News, Virgina's GlueX experiment has the research program most focused on this particular problem right now. The recent papers and conference talks from members of the collaboration linked here are a good way to understand the state of the research on this question.
 
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