GM Counter Not Useful for Measuring Gas Absorbed Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the limitations of a Geiger-Müller (GM) counter in measuring the absorbed energy in a gas, exploring the mechanisms of GM counters and comparing them to other types of radiation detectors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that GM counters only count events and do not measure energy, as they produce pulses based on ion pairs created by ionizing radiation without discriminating between radiation types.
  • One participant explains the operational principles of GM counters, noting that they rely on an avalanche of ionization to create pulses, which are not proportional to the energy deposited in the gas.
  • Another participant questions the premise of using GM counters to measure absorbed energy, seeking clarification on the mechanism that would allow for such measurements.
  • A comparison is made between GM counters and other detectors, such as proportional counters and ionization chambers, highlighting differences in voltage settings and energy measurement capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capability of GM counters to measure absorbed energy, with some asserting their limitations while others question the initial premise of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the question of whether GM counters can measure absorbed energy, and assumptions about the mechanisms involved remain unaddressed.

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Why is a GM counter not useful for determining the absorbed energy in a gas?
 
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Because it only counts events, not energy.
 
To put it another way the event is an all or nothing processes. The ionizing radiation ( charged particles or photon) produces ion pairs in the tube.The high voltage between the anode and cathode accelerated the electrons in the gas of the tube which in tern causes more ionization which can initiate an "avalanche" of ions creating pulse of charge at the anode. GM counter do not discriminate between type of radiation. A pulse is created every time enough ion pairs are left behind in the tube.

If the tube voltage is reduce enough you get a range of voltages where you can get a pulse created that is proportional to the energy deposited in the gas. This is the basis of the proportional counter. Reducing the tube voltage further the the output of the chamber again becomes independent of the energy for the most part. This then becomes and ionization chamber.

Each of the three types of detectors above are basically the same with a conducting cylinder enclosing a wire on the axis with a positive voltage on the wire. However the actual construction, size, and gas used varies with the chambers and use.
 
Mason Smith said:
Why is a GM counter not useful for determining the absorbed energy in a gas?

Why should it? What exactly is in the mechanism of a Geiger tube that makes you think that it can measure the "... absorbed energy in a gas.. "?

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