GR: Can Units Tell You if Quantity is Covariant or Contravariant?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of quantities in General Relativity (GR) as covariant or contravariant, particularly focusing on whether unit analysis can serve as a reliable method for determining this classification. Participants explore examples such as 4-velocity, 4-momentum, and the 4-gradient, and question the validity of using units as a mnemonic for identifying the nature of these quantities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about distinguishing covariant and contravariant quantities in GR and questions if unit analysis can provide clarity.
  • The participant notes that 4-velocity and 4-momentum are contravariant and have units with meters in the numerator, while the 4-gradient is covariant and has units with meters in the denominator.
  • Another participant points out that the 4-velocity has dimensions of speed and mentions the dimensionless nature of the metric, suggesting that the dimensions of covariant and contravariant vectors must align in certain equations.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake made in the discussion, indicating a recognition of the complexity involved.
  • One participant introduces the 4-wavevector as a contravariant quantity, despite having units of radians per meter, raising further questions about the consistency of unit-based mnemonics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether unit analysis can reliably indicate if a quantity is covariant or contravariant. Multiple viewpoints and examples are presented, highlighting the complexity and potential pitfalls of using units as a mnemonic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the applicability of unit analysis and the potential for counter-examples, indicating that the discussion is limited by the need for further clarification on definitions and dimensional analysis.

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Note: My GR is very cursory and rusty. The probability that I say something bogus in stating my question is very high. Thanks for your help in advance!

I have a dumb question. I'm only casually familiar with GR, and I have a hard time telling if quantities should be covariant or contravariant. Can I tell just by looking at the units? For example, I remember 4-velocity and 4-momentum are contravariant and both have units that include meters in the numerator (in the convention where (##x^0 = ct##). I remember that the 4-gradient ##\partial_{\mu}## is a covariant quantity and its units have meters in the denominator. Can I get away with using this trend as a mnemonic or will I get into trouble? If no, can you give counter-examples?

I know covariant vectors can be transformed into contravariant vectors via the metric, but when I'm doing a problem I need to know whether I should write ##X_{\mu} = (A,B,C,D)## or ##X_{\mu} = (-A,B,C,D)## given that I know the values of the components A,B,C,D. For instance, I know that I can write 4-momentum as a covariant vector ##P_{\mu} = \eta_{\mu \nu} P^{\nu}##, however when I'm doing a problem I have to know that P is naturally contravariant (in other words, ##P^{\mu} = (E/c, p_x, p_y, p_z)## and ##P_{\mu} = (-E/c, p_x, p_y, p_z)##, and not the other way around). Just to make sure, I'm not misunderstanding this, right?

Thanks for bearing with me, all!
 
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Twigg said:
If no, can you give counter-examples?
Four velocity has dimensions of speed, and the metric is usually dimensionless. ##g_{ab}U^aU^b=U_bU^b## has dimensions of speed squared, so ##U_b## must have the same dimensions as ##U^a##.

I'm not sure of a good mnemonic for what's co/contra variant, but perhaps others can suggest something.
 
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Oh yep, that's valid. I done goofed o:)
 
Just saw another one: the 4-wavevector is contravariant though it has units of radians per meter.
 

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