Grad School (engineering/physics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the considerations and challenges of applying to graduate school in engineering and physics, including academic performance, recommendations, and personal experiences with difficult coursework. Participants explore the factors that graduate programs may prioritize and the implications of grades on future applications.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a GPA of 3.0 or higher is generally expected by graduate schools, but competitiveness may require a higher GPA depending on the program.
  • There is a belief among participants that strong letters of recommendation and research experience can mitigate lower grades.
  • Concerns are expressed about the impact of receiving a C in a physics class, with some participants noting that many peers also struggle in challenging courses.
  • Participants discuss the importance of public speaking and teaching skills for graduate school applications, particularly for roles as teaching assistants.
  • One participant raises the question of whether to retake a difficult class to improve a grade, highlighting the emotional toll of academic performance.
  • There is a recurring acknowledgment that physics courses are perceived as difficult, with some participants sharing personal anecdotes about their experiences.
  • Some participants mention the potential benefits of a strong GRE quantitative score in the application process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of GPA and recommendations but express differing views on the significance of specific grades and the strategies for improving academic standing. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to handling lower grades in challenging courses.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying standards across different graduate programs and the subjective nature of admissions processes, indicating that experiences may differ widely based on individual circumstances and departmental expectations.

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I plan to get a BS in Engineering Physics and then apply to grad school and go for a masters in Mechanical. But what are "good" grad school looking for? Obviously good GRE and GPA, but how good? Also, what about grad school for physics?
 
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Generally speaking, grad schools want a 3.0 GPA or higher. Of course, some grad departments are more selective than others. You may need a higher GPA to be competitive. On the other hand, if your GPA is slightly lower than a 3.0, you still have a chance of getting accepted somewhere.
 
I'm told recommendations and research experience can balance a world of sins elsewhere.

They look at a lot of different things collectively, and each department is going to have its own methods. So at best, we can only speak generally. :(
 
If I get a C in one of my physics classes how bad will that hurt me?
 
I am pretty sure I am going to end up with a C in the class, but if I retake it, I know for a fact I could get a B or possibly an A. The only thing is I delay taking my other physics courses.
 
I got a C in a physics class...it bothered me a lot for a while, then I started finding out that a lot of the people that were in it with me got the same or lower, and that it was well known among physics juniors and seniors for being something we all had to survive but that most everyone didn't do particularly well in. It happens sometimes, that's why you have a Physics GPA instead of just looking at your lowest grade over four years.
 
Asphodel said:
I'm told recommendations and research experience can balance a world of sins elsewhere.

Absolutely. And don't underestimate public speaking and teaching skills. Grad departments need TA's, and undergrads really don't like TA's they can't understand.
 
Locrian said:
And don't underestimate public speaking and teaching skills.

Yeah...need to work on those. I saw some MIT grad doing an oral session at a conference recently...and his public speaking skills were about as bad as I know mine are. So while I know you can survive without, I'm trying to figure out how to get myself into a low-pressure low-commitment situation where I can get practice (i.e. so I can skip out and do homework as often needed ^_^).

Locrian said:
and undergrads really don't like TA's they can't understand.

"Really don't like"==>"@&)(&$&!"?
 
Well, the class I am taking is not upper-level. But it is a difficult class; it just got ranked as one of the hardest classes to pass in the U.S., with a 25% pass rate. The thing is, do I want this C on my transcript? Which of course I really don't. But should I drop and retake it?
This is really dishearting situation to me, an aspiring physics major.
 
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Physics classes can be hard. There is a reason people cringe when you tell them you're pursuing physics. Physics classes can be hard.

That being said,

"Genius is one per cent inspiration, ninety-nine per cent perspiration" - Einstein.

Even if you can't get an A in the class, as long as most of the other students can't either and you are working hard then you should be fine. Did I mention physics is hard? This is meant to be encouragement BTW.
 
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Off topic, but not thread worthy:
What are the differences between an undergraduate degre and a grad school degree in terms of job availability, salary and advancement possibilites in engineering generally speaking?
 
  • #12
Dissonance in E said:
Off topic, but not thread worthy:
What are the differences between an undergraduate degre and a grad school degree in terms of job availability, salary and advancement possibilites in engineering generally speaking?

Go here, and look at the Employment Salary statistics for physics degrees. I would assume similar statistics can be found with the relevant engineering societies.

Zz.
 
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bhimberg said:
Physics classes can be hard. There is a reason people cringe when you tell them you're pursuing physics. Physics classes can be hard.

That being said,

"Genius is one per cent inspiration, ninety-nine per cent perspiration" - Einstein.

Even if you can't get an A in the class, as long as most of the other students can't either and you are working hard then you should be fine. Did I mention physics is hard? This is meant to be encouragement BTW.

huh? I thought Thomas Edison said that.
 
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bhimberg said:
Physics classes can be hard. There is a reason people cringe when you tell them you're pursuing physics. Physics classes can be hard.

That being said,

"Genius is one per cent inspiration, ninety-nine per cent perspiration" - Einstein.

Even if you can't get an A in the class, as long as most of the other students can't either and you are working hard then you should be fine. Did I mention physics is hard? This is meant to be encouragement BTW.

Yah I talk to a lot of people and they say "change your major!" But the thing is, I can't because I like physics too much. I go to an engineering specialty school but I don't think I could be an engineer.
 
  • #15
bhimberg said:
Physics classes can be hard. There is a reason people cringe when you tell them you're pursuing physics. Physics classes can be hard.

That being said,

"Genius is one per cent inspiration, ninety-nine per cent perspiration" - Einstein.

Even if you can't get an A in the class, as long as most of the other students can't either and you are working hard then you should be fine. Did I mention physics is hard? This is meant to be encouragement BTW.

bah any kind of prepackaged class is easy. original work is hard.
 
  • #16
your GRE quant score will help out a lot
 

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