Gradient of a Vector Dot Product

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The discussion centers on the vector identity for the gradient of a dot product, specifically the expression ∇(A·B). The original poster outlines their steps leading to a simplified expression but struggles to manipulate it further. They reference a more complex solution found on Wikipedia, which they find cumbersome and less efficient. Another participant suggests that to derive the Wikipedia form, one should utilize the definition of curl through Levi-Civita symbols, indicating a method to connect the two expressions. Overall, the conversation highlights the challenges of manipulating vector identities and the potential for alternative approaches.
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Hello,

I was messing around with subscript summation notation problems, and I ended up trying to determine a vector identity for the following expresion:

\overline{\nabla}(\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B})

Here are my steps for as far as I got:

\hat{e}_{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}(A_{j}\hat{e}_{j}\cdot B_{k}\hat{e}_{k})
\hat{e}_{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}(A_{j}B_{k}\delta_{jk})
\hat{e}_{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}(A_{j}B_{j})
\hat{e}_{i}(A_{j}\frac{\partial B_{j}}{\partial x_{i}} +B_{j}\frac{\partial A_{j}}{\partial x_{i}} )

After these steps, I could not clearly see any ways to continue to manipulate this expression.
Not knowing whether an identity actually existed for this expression, I turned to wikipedia and they suprisingly had the solution (which was more complicated than I thought it would have been.)
Regardless, I wasn't sure what steps could be taken to arrive at the solution.

Thanks,
pcalhoun
 
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pcalhoun said:
After these steps, I could not clearly see any ways to continue to manipulate this expression.
The expression in Wikipedia,

\boldsymbol{\nabla}(\boldsymbol{A}\cdot\boldsymbol{B}) =<br /> (\boldsymbol{A}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla})\boldsymbol{B} +<br /> (\boldsymbol{B}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla})\boldsymbol{A} +<br /> \boldsymbol{A}\times(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\times\boldsymbol{B}) +<br /> \boldsymbol{B}\times(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\times\boldsymbol{A})<br />

is, IMHO, much worse than your simple expression. The wiki expression is a computation nightmare: much, much more expensive and subject to loss of accuracy. In short, yech.

The way to proceed is to creatively add zero to the right hand side of your simple expression.
 
With a little luck, I found an equivalent expression (assuming no mistakes) dealing with dyadic/outer products of Del and the two vectors:

(\overline{ \nabla } \overline{ A } ) \cdot \overline{B} + (\overline{ \nabla } \overline{ B } ) \cdot \overline{ A }

Anyways, thanks for the help D H.

Cheers,
pcalhoun
 
Even though this is old I'll reply for random googlers.

Your form is correct, however to get to the wikipedia form which is more usable in many analytical things you just need to look up the definition of the curl through levi civita symbols.

Because if you subtract the two first terms in the wikipedia form from your form you will be left with the definition of the two second ones. But to work this in index notations you need the levi-civita's methinks.
 

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