Gradient theorem for time-dependent vector field

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The discussion centers on the application of the gradient theorem to time-dependent vector fields, questioning whether the relationship between scalar fields at different points remains valid when time is considered. It explores the integral form of the gradient theorem and its connection to Stokes' Theorem, specifically in the context of evaluating the exterior derivative of a scalar field along a particle's trajectory. Participants clarify the meaning of terms like the oriented sum of phi at the endpoints of a curve and the concept of the exterior derivative. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in notation and terminology, particularly regarding the evaluation of integrals at different time points. The thread emphasizes the mathematical intricacies involved in extending classical results to time-dependent scenarios.
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Let's say we have some time-independent scalar field \phi. Obviously \phi\left(\mathbf{q}\right)-\phi\left(\mathbf{p}\right) = \int_{\gamma[\mathbf{p},\,\mathbf{q}]} \nabla\phi(\mathbf{x})\cdot d\mathbf{x}.
This is of course still true if the path \gamma is the trajectory of a particle moving through space. But let's say we have a time-dependent field instead, with \gamma still being the trajectory of the particle. Will
\phi(\mathbf{q},t_2)-\phi(\mathbf{p},t_1)=\int_{\gamma[\mathbf{p},\,\mathbf{q},t]} \nabla\phi(\mathbf{x} (t))\cdot d\mathbf{x}?
 
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dEdt said:
Let's say we have some time-independent scalar field \phi. Obviously \phi\left(\mathbf{q}\right)-\phi\left(\mathbf{p}\right) = \int_{\gamma[\mathbf{p},\,\mathbf{q}]} \nabla\phi(\mathbf{x})\cdot d\mathbf{x}.
This is of course still true if the path \gamma is the trajectory of a particle moving through space. But let's say we have a time-dependent field instead, with \gamma still being the trajectory of the particle. Will
\phi(\mathbf{q},t_2)-\phi(\mathbf{p},t_1)=\int_{\gamma[\mathbf{p},\,\mathbf{q},t]} \nabla\phi(\mathbf{x} (t))\cdot d\mathbf{x}?

Consider that the gradient theorem is basically a thinly disguised form of Stokes' Theorem, id est,

$$\int\limits_{\partial\gamma} \phi = \int\limits_{\gamma} d\phi$$

So, let's consider evaluating the exterior derivative of ##\phi(\vec{x}(t))##.

$$d\left(\phi(\vec{x}(t))\right) = \sum_{i=1}^{n}\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x^i}dx^i = \langle\nabla\phi(\vec{x}(t)), \cdot\rangle$$
where the angle brackets denote the inner product of phi with something.

Do you agree with this? There are other ways to do this, but this method seems easiest.

(I'm fairly sure I did this right, but if someone from the upper math-y places wants to correct me, they should.)

If this works how I thinks it does,

$$\int\limits_{\partial\gamma}\phi(\vec{x}(t)) = \phi(\vec{q}(t))-\phi(\vec{p}(t)) = \int\limits_{\gamma} \langle\nabla\phi(\vec{x}(t)), d\vec{x}\rangle$$

where ##\vec{q}(t)## is the vector q at time t.
 
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I'm sorry, but you're using a lot of terminology and notation that I'm unfamiliar with. What does \int_{\partial \gamma}\phi mean? What's an exterior derivative?
 
dEdt said:
I'm sorry, but you're using a lot of terminology and notation that I'm unfamiliar with. What does \int_{\partial \gamma}\phi mean? What's an exterior derivative?
Oh...sorry. That may be out of what you've learned before. My apologies.

##\int\limits_{\partial\gamma}\phi## would be the oriented sum of phi at the endpoints of ##\gamma##. Because ##\gamma## is 1-dimensional (it's a curve), its boundary is a finite set of points (namely, its endpoints).

The exterior derivative is a a generalization of the differential. See here.
 
dEdt said:
Let's say we have some time-independent scalar field \phi. Obviously \phi\left(\mathbf{q}\right)-\phi\left(\mathbf{p}\right) = \int_{\gamma[\mathbf{p},\,\mathbf{q}]} \nabla\phi(\mathbf{x})\cdot d\mathbf{x}.
This is of course still true if the path \gamma is the trajectory of a particle moving through space. But let's say we have a time-dependent field instead, with \gamma still being the trajectory of the particle. Will
\phi(\mathbf{q},t_2)-\phi(\mathbf{p},t_1)=\int_{\gamma[\mathbf{p},\,\mathbf{q},t]} \nabla\phi(\mathbf{x} (t))\cdot d\mathbf{x}?
The left side is evaluated at two different values of t. What value of t are you using on the right?
 

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