Graduating Physics Major needs Employment Advice

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The discussion revolves around employment advice for a graduating physics major who is uncertain about pursuing further education and is exploring job opportunities outside of academia. Participants share their perspectives on potential career paths, the value of a physics degree, and the implications of pursuing further studies.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to avoid grad school and seeks advice on job options, mentioning a background in IT and programming languages.
  • Another suggests considering entry-level jobs in programming, IT, or engineering, followed by an online master's degree later.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of competing with computer science graduates in programming roles and expresses reluctance to return to IT.
  • Some participants critique the expectations of new graduates regarding job offers and salaries, suggesting that a physics degree may not guarantee high-paying positions.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of "passion" in relation to career choices, emphasizing that true passion involves a willingness to endure challenges.
  • Historical context is provided by a participant who reflects on their experiences during the dot-com bubble, suggesting that generational differences affect perceptions of career opportunities.
  • One participant recommends studying history and literature to better understand the concept of passion and its implications for career choices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the value of a physics degree and the expectations of new graduates. There is no consensus on the best career path or the necessity of further education, with multiple competing perspectives remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants' views are influenced by personal experiences and generational perspectives, which may affect their understanding of current job markets and career expectations. There are unresolved assumptions about the job market for physics graduates and the role of further education.

Who May Find This Useful

Graduating physics majors considering their career options, individuals interested in the job market for STEM graduates, and those contemplating further education in relation to employment prospects.

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I'll be graduating soon and don't really want to go to grad school. My heart is just not in it anymore and I want to start "living" outside of the context of school for once.

I don't have any internships or anything to make me particularly attractive besides pretty good grades. A few years ago I worked in IT for a bit which is pretty much the only thing to put on my resume and I know(or knew and could get back up to speed with) a good handful of programming languages( C/C++, Java, PHP).

Ideally, I'd probably like to get a job that is somewhat analogous to what an EE would do but that doesn't seem likely. Should I buff up on my programming a bit and go the developer route? Any other good options at this point? Or should I just go to grad school for the hell of it? Or maybe go into even more debt getting a Masters in something to specialize a bit?
 
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If you need a break from school, try to get an entry level job in programming, IT, or engineering.

Then after a couple of years or so, you can get an online masters degree in engineering or whatever you choose.
 
edgepflow said:
If you need a break from school, try to get an entry level job in programming, IT, or engineering.

Then after a couple of years or so, you can get an online masters degree in engineering or whatever you choose.

Cool.

I can't deal with IT again, just too soul-sucking.

Programming I can see myself doing but I guess I'll be up against CS grads which might make it pretty tough?

Ditto for Engineering.

I live near NYC can a Physics BS sell their soul to Wall St, or do you need a higher degree?
 
lubuntu said:
just too soul-sucking.

That's why we call it "work".

I am perpetually amazed at the number of people (and I am not just picking on you) who post messages of the sort "I don't want to do X, or Y, or Z, and I need to start at $75K a year, and I am only willing to live in one particular part of the country, and I can't seem to get a job! A physics degree is useless!"
 
Vanadium 50 said:
That's why we call it "work".

I am perpetually amazed at the number of people (and I am not just picking on you) who post messages of the sort "I don't want to do X, or Y, or Z, and I need to start at $75K a year, and I am only willing to live in one particular part of the country, and I can't seem to get a job! A physics degree is useless!"

I think some part of "I don't want to do X, or Y, or Z" comes from all the "follow your passion and the money will come" BS that's floating everywhere.
 
mayonaise said:
I think some part of "I don't want to do X, or Y, or Z" comes from all the "follow your passion and the money will come" BS that's floating everywhere.

I think this is because people don't understand what "passion" means.

Passion comes from the word "suffer". You know that you are passionate about something or someone when you are so emotionally attached to it, that you are willing to suffer for it. The concept of "passion of the Christ" is all about the suffering that Christ had as he was nailed to be cross.

You know that you are passionate about physics, if you want it so much, you are willing to suffer for it.

There's also generation gap issues. I got my Ph.D. in the middle of the dot-com bubble, which means I just look at the world a bit different than someone that graduates either in 1930, 1950, 1970, or 2010.

In 1998, the US had just defeated the Soviet Union and was the hyperpower in the world, the internet was a new thing, people were talking about what to do with the massive budget surplus, and it had been seven years since the last recession.

It was a different world.

One thing that I do recommend physics undergraduates is to study a lot of history, since you will be living it. Also studying literature is useful, so that you know what "passion" really means.
 
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