Graph or lattice topology discretization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the modeling of a lattice version of a smooth space, particularly focusing on discretization procedures in the context of graph theory and topology. Participants explore the implications of having connected points with uniform distances and seek to understand how to retrieve geometric and topological information from such a structure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model where every connected point in a lattice has the same distance, challenging traditional notions of lattices and suggesting a connection to graph theory.
  • Another participant argues that graphs may not be suitable for addressing most topological or geometric problems due to their limited structure, suggesting that a simplicial complex might be more appropriate for extracting geometric data.
  • A later reply acknowledges the suggestion of discrete exterior algebra as a potential avenue for exploration, indicating a willingness to investigate further.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of taxicab geometry, proposing that if the lattice can be tessellated appropriately, it might approximate a continuum version of the space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of graphs for topological and geometric problems, with no consensus reached on the best approach to model the discussed concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of distances in lattices and the potential limitations of using graphs versus simplicial complexes. There is also an unresolved exploration of how to effectively retrieve geometric information from the proposed models.

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Mathematicians, I summon thee to help me identify which field deals with this stuff. I come here not as a physicist but as a sunday programmer trying to solve some numerical problems.

I set out to model a lattice version of a smooth space. A discretization procedure not uncommon in physics, but there's a catch: every connected point has the same distance. Which essentially breaks everything I knew about lattices. So I'm not putting points on a plane (where each point would have its own coordinates) but making a plane out of points. So each point only has has information about its connectivity with its surroundings. This is closer to graph theory, I believe.

This smells a lot like topology, that's why I came here. Is there a way to retrieve information, like number of dimensions, or even geometrical aspects like curvature, in some limit where this graph/lattice tends to a continuum space? This limit would be an increase in number of points or something like that.
 
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Not an expert, but I don’t think graphs are appropriate structures for most topological or geometric problems. Graphs have only vertices and edges, whereas a triangulation of a topological or geometric space has k-simplices, where k<= the dimension of the space being considered.

I get the distinct impression that you are interested in geometric data and not topological data (that would be invariants like Betti numbers and homology groups and such). If you have a representation of a space as a simplicial complex, you could consider the discrete exterior calculus, but to extract meaningful geometric information I assume you’d some more geometric data, perhaps a metric which assigns edges to their respective distances.
 
Thanks for pointing to (discrete) exterior algebra. I will have to do some reading to see if that is the way but it's better than what I had before! (nothing)
 
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OK, I did some more reading. Exterior algebra is promising but I suspect the solution might be simpler. I found some more fancy words to describe what I was talking about. I learned the concept of taxicab geometry, where distance is defined as an absolute value from point to point. So maybe if I can tesselate a surface in a specific way where the taxicab distance in this lattice approximates the continuum version, that might work.

Anyway, just wanted to do a update/closure to this topic.
 

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