Graph theory proof (Unlabeled trees)

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between labeled and unlabeled trees in graph theory, specifically focusing on the inequality involving the number of unlabeled trees T(n) and the expression n^n−2/n!. Participants explore how the symmetric group Sn acts on labeled trees and the implications for counting unlabeled trees on n vertices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to find mathematical relations between labeled and unlabeled trees, questioning how to count distinct labeled trees derived from unlabeled ones. They discuss the use of n! in their calculations and consider the implications of symmetry in tree structures.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the upper bounds of labeling trees and exploring potential inequalities. Some have suggested that applying all possible labelings to unlabeled trees could yield insights into the relationship between the two types of trees, while others are still seeking clarity on the implications of their findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of counting labeled trees from unlabeled trees and express uncertainty about the exact relationships and inequalities that can be established. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions regarding the nature of tree labeling and the counting process.

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Homework Statement


A. Show that n^n−2/n! < T(n) by looking at how the symmetric group Sn acts on labelled trees. Use |Sn| = n!
T(n) is the number of unlabeled trees on n vertices

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I can't find any mathematical relation between labelled trees and unlabeled trees. I drew the non isomorphic graphs on different number of vertices. For example on 5 vertices, there are 3 non isomorphic classes. I counted the number of different trees on each class by hand. I just could notice that I always use the n!. For example the simplest class of a tree on 5 vertices is a straight line with 5 nodes. To count the number of trees you do 5!/2 because of the symmetry of this class. In this case n=5, so my point is that you always use n!.
n^(n-2)=n!/k+n!/y+... n!/z

The number of terms depends on the number of vertices, but I don't know how.

I thought that I could do something like this (n!/k+n!/y+...n!/z)/n!= 1/k+1/y+1/z and find something meaningful in the constants but turns out I couldn't.
 
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TheMathNoob said:
I can't find any mathematical relation between labelled trees and unlabeled trees.
Not even an inequality?
If you take an unlabelled tree and label it, what is the greatest number of distinct labelled trees you might produced?
 
haruspex said:
Not even an inequality?
If you take an unlabelled tree and label it, what is the greatest number of distinct labelled trees you might produced?
I found the different unlabeled trees. As I was saying, there are 3 classes of unlabeled trees on 5 vertices. In the first class, a straight line, we can't use the n! because this generates duplicates. I know that the greatest number of labeled trees on n vertices y n^(n-2), but counting the number of labelled trees from a unlabeled tree is a tough task.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Tree.html

My point can be explained better with this picture. Each class on different n vertices is drawn and I am attempting to count each one of them by hand and find some meaningful relation.
 
TheMathNoob said:
counting the number of labelled trees from a unlabeled tree is a tough task.
Yes, but I'm not asking for the precise number, just an upper bound. How many ways could you assign the labels? Could there be some you've missed?
 
haruspex said:
Yes, but I'm not asking for the precise number, just an upper bound. How many ways could you assign the labels? Could there be some you've missed?
n vertices would be n!
 
TheMathNoob said:
n vertices would be n!
Right. Could there be any labelled trees missed by this procedure (generating n! labellings from each unlabelled tree)?
 
haruspex said:
Right. Could there be any labelled trees missed by this procedure (generating n! labellings from each unlabelled tree)?
no intuitively n!>n^(n-2), the last thing I said is wrong, the answer is no. If we apply n! on each unlabeled tree, we miss nothing.
 
TheMathNoob said:
intuitively n!>n^(n-2)
Eh? Not true.
TheMathNoob said:
If we apply n! on each unlabeled tree, we miss nothing.
Right. So what inequality can you write relating the number labelled trees on n vertices to the number of unlabelled trees on n vertices?
 
haruspex said:
Eh? Not true.

Right. So what inequality can you write relating the number labelled trees on n vertices to the number of unlabelled trees on n vertices?
n!>unlabeled trees?? I don't know. I need more clues.
 
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TheMathNoob said:
n!>unlabeled trees?? I don't know. I need more clues.
Applying all n! possible labellings to every possible unlabelled tree we found every possible labelled tree (though perhaps with repeats). What relationship does that yield between the total number of unlabelled trees and the total number of labelled trees?
 
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haruspex said:
Applying all n! possible labellings to every possible unlabelled tree we found every possible labelled tree (though perhaps with repeats). What relationship does that yield between the total number of unlabelled trees and the total number of labelled trees?
if we sum all the n!, we would get something like kn!>n^(n-2) where k is the possible number of unlabeled trees ohhhhhh xd k>n^(n-2)/n!. right?
 
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TheMathNoob said:
if we sum all the n!, we would get something like kn!>n^(n-2) where k is the possible number of unlabeled trees ohhhhhh xd k>n^(n-2)/n!. right?
Bingo.
 
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haruspex said:
Bingo.
thank you so much sir! really thank you.
 

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