Gravitation: Force inside a sphere

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational force exerted by a solid sphere on an object located at different distances from its center. The sphere has a uniform density, a mass of 17 kg, and a radius of 2.2 m. Participants are exploring the implications of gravitational forces both inside and outside the sphere.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of gravitational formulas and the concept of mass distribution within the sphere. Questions arise regarding how to calculate the effective mass contributing to gravitational force at various distances from the center.

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Some participants have provided insights into the gravitational effects of a sphere, including the symmetry of forces inside a hollow sphere and the treatment of mass as concentrated at the center for calculations. However, there remains a lack of explicit consensus on the calculation methods and the reasoning behind treating the mass in certain ways.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of gravitational force calculations, particularly in relation to the sphere's density and the distances involved. There is an indication of confusion regarding the application of theoretical principles to practical calculations.

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A solid sphere has a uniform density, a mass of 17 kg and a radius of 2.2 m.
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a) What is the force due to gravity from the sphere on a very small object of mass 21 grams located 1.1 m from its center?

b) What is the force due to gravity from the sphere on a very small object of mass 21 grams located 3.3 m from its center?

How do I start this problem? I know that F=G*m1*m2/R
and Mass inside a shell= density*(4/3)pi*r^3, but it just confuses me more.
 
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Can you determine the net force of gravity on an object inside a spherical shell, and outside a spherical shell. You might find it in your textbook. It will make your life a lot easier.
 
The quick way of solving it is to use the fact that if you have a sphere of radius r1 and an object inside at distance r2 (r2<r1) from the center of the sphere then only matter at distance x<r2 from the center would give a net gravitational effect. All other effects cancel each other because of the symmetry (I'm assuming, of course, that everything stands still).

The good way to do it is to proove the above "fact", for example by adding up all contributions (integral).

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radu
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One can show that the net gravitational force on an object inside a hollow sphere is 0. That's because the pull due to a small section of mass is exactly offset by the pull of the mass opposite the first section.

One can also show, by symmetry, that the gravitational force, due to a spherical mass, on an object outside the sphere is exactly the same as if the mass were concentrated at the center of the sphere.

To answer the first question, use the density to calculate the mass of the portion of the sphere inside radius 1.1 m and treat it as a mass concentrated at the center.

To answer the second, treat the entire 17 kg as if it were concentrated at the center.
 
Sorry, can you explain something first.
First part, I figured out the density value to calculate the mass of the portion of the sphere inside radius 1.1 m. Now you say treat it as a concentrated mass at the center of the sphere. Ok, but I mean, what do I do with it in terms of calculation?

2) Can you explain why its the entire 17kg?
 

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