Gravitation potential energy without hieght

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a skateboarder, focusing on the calculation of gravitational potential energy change and the associated vertical height change. The problem includes elements of work done by nonconservative forces and the application of the work-energy theorem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem and the relationship between work done and changes in kinetic and potential energy. Some express uncertainty about calculating gravitational potential energy without knowing the height.

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Several participants have shared their attempts at calculating work and potential energy changes. Some have suggested using different equations related to work and energy, while others are exploring the implications of nonconservative forces on the calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the challenge of calculating changes in gravitational potential energy without having the final vertical position or distance, which adds complexity to the problem.

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A 55.5 kg skateboarder starts out with a speed of 1.75 m/s. He does +80.0 J of work on himself by pushing with his feet against the ground. In addition, friction does -265 J of work on him. In both cases, the forces doing the work are nonconservative. The final speed of the skateboarder is 5.90 m/s.
(a) Calculate the change (PE = PEf - PE0) in the gravitational potential energy.




i also have to calculate the change in the vertical hieght. i have absolutely no clue how to do this without h...
 
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A 55.5 kg skateboarder starts out with a speed of 1.75 m/s. He does +80.0 J of work on himself by pushing with his feet against the ground. In addition, friction does -265 J of work on him. In both cases, the forces doing the work are nonconservative. The final speed of the skateboarder is 5.90 m/s.
(a) Calculate the change (PE = PEf - PE0) in the gravitational potential energy.




i also have to calculate the change in the vertical hieght. i have absolutely no clue how to do this without h...
You might want to consider the work energy theorem [tex]W_c + W_{nc} = \Delta KE[/tex]and go from there, if you're familar with it.
 
i got W using (1/2)(m)(vf^2)-(1/2)(m)(vo^2). not sure where to go from here.
 
ncote said:
i got W using (1/2)(m)(vf^2)-(1/2)(m)(vo^2). not sure where to go from here.
Correct, that's the total (or net) work done. Some of that work is the work done by the non conservative forces, which is given. The rest is the work done by conservative forces, which is the gravity force in this case. Work done by gravity is just -mgh. If this equation is confusing to you, perhaps you should instead use the conservation of total energy equation, which is [tex]W_{nc} = \Delta KE + \Delta PE[/tex], which might be a bit easier to understand.
 
i got it!

i used W-Wnc=Wc and got the correct answer for the change

for the hieght i just did W-Wnc/mg.
 
I was looking at the different formulas and stuff for this, and I'm stuck too, especially when I have taken the formula -Ffrd= (1/2)mvf^2-(1/2)mvi^2+mgyfinal-mgyinitial. I seriously am stuck on how to solve for the change in gravitational potential energy without the the final y-value or even distance.
 

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