Gravitational acceleration for a rotating torus

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The discussion centers around the gravitational acceleration experienced near a rotating torus, particularly in comparison to the established gravitational equation for spheroids, Gm/r^2. Participants explore the mathematical formulations applicable to gravitational fields in close proximity to the torus, as well as the behavior of gravity within and around the toroidal structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the applicability of Gm/r^2 for gravitational acceleration towards a rotating torus and seeks an equation for close proximity to the torus.
  • Another participant shares a link to a resource discussing gravitational cancellation at the center of the torus and the behavior of objects falling inside it.
  • A participant expresses interest in a simpler equation akin to Gm/r^2, while acknowledging the complexity of gravitational behavior inside the torus.
  • One participant presents an equation for the gravitational field on the polar axis of a torus, noting discrepancies with Gm/r^2 at large distances but similarities at certain ranges.
  • Another participant proposes a rough rule of thumb equation for gravitational acceleration that varies based on position relative to the torus, suggesting that it provides similar results to Gm/r^2 within certain distances.
  • A participant discusses the need to account for multiple sources of gravity within the torus, proposing an adjusted equation for gravitational acceleration in the equatorial plane.
  • One participant mentions a blog post where they detail calculations involving points of reference on the torus and provide diagrams and an Excel spreadsheet for further analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and proposed equations without reaching a consensus. There are multiple competing models and approaches to understanding gravitational acceleration near a rotating torus, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their equations and assumptions, particularly regarding the behavior of gravity at different distances from the torus and the complexities introduced by its geometry.

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gravity of a rotating torus

While Gm/r^2 seems to apply only for gravitational acceleration towards spheroids, what would be the equation for gravitational acceleration towards a rotating torus? I'm sure the equation would be the same for spheroids and toroids at large distances but what would be the equation in close proximity to the torus (i.e. the outer surface)?
 
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Thanks for link Shalaya, while the mathpage is informative and backs up the idea that gravity cancels out at the centre of the torus and that anything that falls inside the torus is pulled away from the centre, is there a more 'rule of thumb' equation on the lines of Gm/r^2?
 
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While it doesn't relate to a rotating torus, I did find an equation that looks at the gravitational field on the polar axis of a torus-

[tex]F=-\frac{Gmx}{\left(x^2+a^2\right)^{3/2}}[/tex]

where x is the distance from the centre of the torus (the torus being on the y,z plane) and a is the radius of the torus.
source- http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/152.mf1i.spring02/MoreGravity.htm

There seems to be a discrepancy with Gm/r^2 over very large distances but it is at least within the same order and it could be argued that over a certain distance, Gm/r^2 is used. Within about 50a, the results are very similar to Gm/r^2 until within close proximity of the torus (~5a) where the gravitational acceleration begins to reduce until it reaches zero at the centre.

I had previously assumed that gravity on the same plane as the torus would be something like-

[tex]g=\frac{Gm}{\left(r-r_t \right)^2}[/tex]

where rt is the radius of the torus. The resulting negative figure for the gravitational field once inside the torus doesn't imply 'negative gravity' as such, just that now as you move to the centre of the torus, gravity is pulling the other way (i.e. to the inside face of the torus). Based on the above, this could be rewritten as-

[tex]g=\frac{Gm}{\left(r^2-r_t^2 \right)}[/tex]

providing a very rough rule of thumb equation-

[tex]g_t=\left|\frac{Gmr}{\left(r^2+r_t^2\right)^{3/2}}sin^2\theta\right|+\left|\frac{Gm}{\left(r^2-r_t^2 \right)}cos^2\theta\right|[/tex]

so that the first equation dominates at the poles and the second equation dominates at the equator. This produces fairly similar results to Gm/r^2 (up to about 50r from the torus) until about 5r where the results for the pole and the equator begin to diverge. While not perfect, it does produce a fairly simple alternative to Gm/r^2.

Steve
 
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Once inside the torus, the gravitational field in the equatorial plane needs to take into account multiple sources and gradually reduce to zero so r is introduced to the top half of the fraction. This also appears to take care of any geometric singularities that might have cropped up at the centre on the equatorial plane.

Gravity for a torus where r<rt-

[tex] g_t=\left|\frac{Gmr}{\left(r^2+r_t^2\right)^{3/2}}sin^2\theta\right|+\left|\frac{Gmr}{\left(r^2-r_t^2 \right)}cos^2\theta\right|[/tex]

The way I see it is that this gives an approximation of the gravitational field at any point around the torus, relative to the part of the torus that is most local to the point being looked at.
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Re post #4, the pole equation is actually good to infinity (as is the equatorial equation).
 
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I've looked at this in a bit more detail in the blog linked below, establishing points of reference on the torus which makes it appear as a ring of beads and then calculating the proper distance from each bead-

https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=334

Attached below are diagrams that demonstrate the trigonometry involved and an excel spreadsheet based on 8 and 16 points of reference. The only bits of info that need to be punched in are mass, r (radius), radius of torus and plane angle-
 

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