Gravitational elevator (physics Torque question)

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SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the feasibility of a gravitational-powered elevator designed for emergency escapes from high-rise buildings. The design incorporates a large turntable with a radius of 1.5 m and a mass that is twice that of the fully loaded elevator. The vertical pulley has a radius of 0.375 m and a mass of 0.09375 times that of the turntable. Participants emphasize the need to calculate the acceleration of the elevator, ensuring it remains significantly less than gravitational acceleration (g), by applying principles of torque and moment of inertia.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of torque and moment of inertia in rotational dynamics
  • Familiarity with Newton's second law of motion
  • Knowledge of free body diagrams and their application in physics problems
  • Basic principles of gravitational forces and acceleration
NEXT STEPS
  • Calculate the moment of inertia for both the turntable and the pulley using the formulas provided
  • Develop free body diagrams for the turntable, pulley, and hanging cage to visualize forces
  • Formulate and solve the system of equations derived from Newton's second law for each component
  • Research gravitational potential energy and its conversion in mechanical systems
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, engineers designing safety mechanisms, and anyone interested in the principles of mechanics and emergency evacuation systems.

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Homework Statement


After watching a news story about a fire in a high rise apartment building, you and your friend decide to design an emergency escape device from the top of a building. To avoid engine failure, your friend suggests a gravitational powered elevator. The design has a large, heavy turntable (a horizontal disk that is free to rotate about its center) on the roof with a cable wound around its edge. The free end of the cable goes horizontally to the edge of the building roof, passes over a heavy vertical pulley, and then hangs straight down. A strong wire cage which can hold 5 people is then attached to the hanging end of the cable. When people enter the cage and release it, the cable unrolls from the turntable lowering the people safely to the ground. To see if this design is feasible you decide to calculate the acceleration of the fully loaded elevator to make sure it is much less than g. Your friend's design has the radius of the turntable disk as 1.5 m and its mass is twice that of the fully loaded elevator. The disk which serves as the vertical pulley has 1/4 the radius of the turntable and 1/16 its mass. In your trusty Physics book you find that the moment of inertia of a disk is 1/2 that of a ring.

Homework Equations


I think..

Ir=1/2MR^2
Tnet=I(alpha)
Fg-Fr=ma
ar=(Fg-Fr)/Msp

The Attempt at a Solution



I honestly have no idea. Can someone please get me started on it?

Like I have

T1(1.5m)=I(alpha)
T1= [(1/2*m*R^2)(alpha)]/1.5m b/c torque= T1(R)=I*alpha

oh and

there will be T1 and T2,

so Sum of torque = T2(Rp) - T1(Rp) = I*alpha

and... I don't know, I don't understand :(
 
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You need three separate free body diagrams, for the disk, for the pulley and for the hanging cage with people. Use them to write three Newton's 2nd Law equations. Note that you have three unknowns, two tensions and an acceleration. Solve for the acceleration.
 

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