Gravitational Field and free fall

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The discussion revolves around the differences in the acceleration of free fall at the equator compared to the poles, exploring the influence of centrifugal force due to Earth's rotation and the shape of the Earth on gravitational acceleration. Participants engage in a technical examination of gravitational concepts and the effects of rotation on free fall.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that centrifugal force from Earth's rotation affects the acceleration of free fall, particularly at the equator, where it is argued to reduce gravitational acceleration.
  • Others question the relevance of centrifugal force to gravitational effects, suggesting that gravity is fundamentally a matter of mass and distance.
  • A participant notes that while centrifugal force acts outward, it does not produce gravity but rather modifies its effects.
  • There is a discussion about how objects falling from the equator experience different forces compared to those at the poles, with some suggesting that meteoroids falling toward Earth do not experience centrifugal force.
  • Some participants highlight that gravitational acceleration is indeed affected by Earth's rotation, with specific values provided for acceleration at the poles and equator.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of "somewhat" in relation to gravitational effects, with participants debating the significance of the differences in acceleration values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of centrifugal force in gravitational acceleration, with no consensus reached on its significance or the implications of the differences in acceleration at the equator and poles.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific values for gravitational acceleration at the poles and equator, noting that the differences are not negligible when considering the effects of Earth's rotation. The discussion includes varying interpretations of how centrifugal force interacts with gravitational forces.

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The acceleration of free fall at the equator is not equal to the acceleration of free fall at the poles.explain?
 
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The main reason is centifugal force of spinning of earth. Besides, Earth is not a perfect spheroid, it is a little flattened because of this centrifugal force.
 
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exponent137 said:
The main reason is centifugal force of spinning of earth. Besides, Earth is not a perfect spheroid, it is a little flattened because of this centrifugal force.
i don't know what centrifugal force has to do with gravitation
gravitation is just a matter of distance and mass
 
The original post did not ask directly about "gravity", it asked about "the acceleration of free fall". That has to do both with gravitational force and with "centrifugal force" (actually the fact that part of that gravity goes to supply centripetal force keeping the object from flying off the rotating earth).
 
If you are on surface on equator, I think that this is clear. Centrifugal force pushes you up. But if you are above the surface of equator and you are falling toward earth, you are also moving in the direction of rotation, but this means, that you are falling slower in comparison to nonrotating Earth or on poles.
 
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faiziqb12 said:
centrifugal force just akes varitions in gravitation
That's what this thread is about.
 
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But it is interesting if some meteoroid falls toward Earth on equator. It falls like toward non-rotation earth, thus it does not feel Earth's centrifugal force.

Maybe this is what annoying you.
 
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exponent137 said:
But it is interesting if some meteoroid falls toward Earth on equator. It falls like toward non-rotation earth, thus it does not feel Earth's centrifugal force.
maybe centrifugal force effects gravitation on land and not in the sky
 
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This is not precisely. If you throw a stone from equator, its acceleration is smaller because of centrifugal force. Because rotation of Earth is in-calculated in it.
 
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exponent137 said:
This is not precisely. If you throw a stone from equator, its acceleration is smaller because of centrifugal force. Because rotation of Earth is in-calculated in it.
i said maybe
 
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Thus, centrifugal force causes also on stone in the air (which flies from earth), but not on stone which flies from the universe.
 
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faiziqb12 said:
maybe centrifugal force effects gravitation on land and not in the sky
Centrifugal force exist only in the rotating reference frame of the Earth, no matter if on land or in the sky. In the inertial frame there is no centrifugal force, no matter if on land or in the sky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force
 
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faiziqb12 said:
and as there is highest centrifugal force at the equator there the gravitational acceleration is decreased more as compared to the poles

How do you explain that the gravitational acceleration is increased at the poles (compared to non rotating body) even though there is no centrifugal force?
 
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ineedhelpwithhw said:
The acceleration of free fall at the equator is not equal to the acceleration of free fall at the poles.explain?
This looks a lot like an end of chapter question.
It should be in homework section, shouldn't?
 
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DrStupid said:
How do you explain that the gravitational acceleration is increased at the poles (compared to non rotating body) even though there is no centrifugal force?
the gravitational force isn't affected at the poles by the centrifugal force{which is opposite in direction of gravitational force}...
so at the poles the gravitation is somewhat the same as it should be...
but near the equator the centriful force plays its part so the gravitation gets decreased a little...
 
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faiziqb12 said:
the gravitational force isn't affected at the poles by the centrifugal force{which is opposite in direction of gravitational force}.
It's only opposite in direction exactly at the equator, not on the rest of the Earth. At the poles it's zero, so it's not opposite to anything.
 
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faiziqb12 said:
so at the poles the gravitation is somewhat the same as it should be...

It is not the same as it would be without rotation.
 
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i just said somewhat
 
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faiziqb12 said:
i just said somewhat

Then at the equator the gravitation is also "somewhat the same as it should be". At the poles the acceleration is 9.832 m/s² and at the equator 9.780 m/s². The centrifugal acceleration at the equator is 0.034 m/s² and therefore directly responsible for only 65% of the difference. That means there is an additional effect within the same order of magnitude.
 
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DrStupid said:
Then at the equator the gravitation is also "somewhat the same as it should be"
somewhat always is used in contrast to another thing ..... for example here it was used in reference to gravity at equator...
and yes i must commit that the gravity at the poles is actually that very much equal in magnitude to unaffected gravitation that the changes are negligible...
say me one thing is actually gravity is not 9.8 everywhere ... then why we choosed it as a constant....because changes are approx. negligible for us to take care of...same is the case here
 
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faiziqb12 said:
and yes i must commit that the gravity at the poles is actually that very much equal in magnitude to unaffected gravitation that the changes are negligible

That would be true if we wouldn't talk about the difference between the acceleration at the poles and at the equator. Compared to this difference the changes are not negligible.
 

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