Gravitational Field of Electromagnetic Waves: How is it Generated?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the generation of gravitational fields by electromagnetic waves, particularly focusing on the theoretical mechanisms that link energy and gravitational fields. Participants explore concepts related to high-energy electromagnetic fields and their relationship to mass and gravitational effects, touching on both theoretical and philosophical aspects of physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that atomic particles are formed by high-energy electromagnetic fields and questions how these fields generate gravitational fields associated with mass.
  • Another participant asserts that since electromagnetic waves possess energy, they inherently generate a gravitational field.
  • A follow-up inquiry seeks to understand the specific "mechanism" by which electromagnetic waves create gravitational fields.
  • One participant reiterates that energy, or more specifically stress-energy, is responsible for creating gravitational fields, dismissing the need for an additional mechanism.
  • Another participant expresses a desire to understand the fundamental "why" or "how" behind the relationship between energy and gravitational fields, indicating a philosophical interest in the underlying principles of physics.
  • A response emphasizes that physics does not provide fundamental "whys" or "hows," suggesting that laws of physics are accepted without deeper explanation.
  • Further discussion highlights the complexity of understanding phenomena in quantum physics and the necessity of knowing "how" things work for practical applications.
  • One participant concludes that the questions posed may not be answerable within the current theoretical framework, indicating a limit to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that energy is linked to gravitational fields, but there is disagreement regarding the necessity and nature of understanding the mechanisms behind this relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper philosophical questions posed about "why" and "how."

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of satisfaction with the explanations provided, indicating that some foundational questions remain unaddressed. The discussion reflects a tension between empirical understanding and philosophical inquiry in physics.

MartinG
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Hi !

It catches my attention that atomic particles such as protons, neutornes, electrons and their respective subparticles such as Quarks are theoretically formed by high-energy electromagnetic fields such as gamma rays and then the gravitational field that would generate the mass of these particles would be approximately equal to the gravitational field that the electromagnetic waves that form said particles and subparticles have, so I would like to know and ask you how the gravitational field is generated in an electromagnetic wave that theoretically later forms the gravitational field that have the particles with a given mass.

I thank you for your response and I send you greetings.
 
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MartinG said:
how the gravitational field is generated in an electromagnetic wave
An electromagnetic wave has energy, and anything that has energy has a gravitational field.
 
PeterDonis said:
An electromagnetic wave has energy, and anything that has energy has a gravitational field.
Ok, Yes, I agree and I appreciate your answer.

But my question is more oriented to if someone knows how is the "mechanism with which is formed" the gravitational field in the electromagnetic waves.
 
MartinG said:
the "mechanism with which is formed" the gravitational field in the electromagnetic waves.
The "mechanism" is what I already said. There is no other "mechanism". Energy (more precisely, stress-energy) causes a gravitational field.
 
PeterDonis said:
The "mechanism" is what I already said. There is no other "mechanism". Energy (more precisely, stress-energy) causes a gravitational field.
Ok, I understand you. But I would like to know "Why" energy or an electromagnetic wave causes a gravitational field.

There has to be a "Why" or a "How" things are generated or produced, that is what I would like to know.
 
MartinG said:
There has to be a "Why" or a "How" things are generated or produced, that is what I would like to know.
There never has been a fundamental "why" or "how" in physics. You always get down to your laws of physics that underpin everything. You might get a deeper reason by replacing a theory with a more fundamental theory (e.g. GR replaced Newtonian Gravity), but even the more fundamental theory still has its laws of physics on which it is based. And, by definition, they are laws (or axioms or postulates) with no why or how.
 
MartinG said:
There has to be a "Why" or a "How" things are generated or produced
No, there doesn't. The fact that your intuition says there should be just means your intuition needs to be re-trained.
 
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Ok, I understand you.

But I would like to know "Why" and "How" things are or work, even in Quantum Physics or Microscopy, which cannot be seen or experienced well at all, and which are more complex and difficult to know well because they occur or because they happen. But hey, I would like to find an explanation for things and that is why I ask "Why" or "How" they happen, just that.

Because also, if you do not know how "things work", many times they cannot be applied in the different devices that one would like to do.

I appreciate the responses. Greetings.
 
MartinG said:
I would like to know "Why" and "How" things are or work
As has already been explained, these questions are not answerable, at least not with what you appear to mean by "why" and "how". All we can tell you is what our best current theories say, and we've already done that. If that's not enough for you, unfortunately, you won't be able to get anything further here.

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