Gravitational Potential Energy Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving gravitational potential energy, specifically calculating the change in gravitational potential energy for a satellite being propelled from the Earth's surface to a significant height above it. The problem utilizes the gravitational force equation and concepts of work and energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of varying gravitational force at different altitudes and the need to use integration to calculate work done against gravity. There are attempts to apply the gravitational force equation directly, but some participants question the validity of this approach at large distances.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to calculate the change in gravitational potential energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of integrals, and there is recognition of the need for the gravitational constant in calculations. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about the constancy of gravitational acceleration, which is challenged in the context of high altitudes. There is also mention of textbook semantics affecting understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The magnitude of the attractive force of gravity between two massive bodies is F=GMm/r^2, where G is a constant, M and m are the masses, and r is the distance between the centers of the two bodies. The radius of the Earth is 6.38×10^6 m and its mass is 5.97×10^24 kg. A satellite of mass 1.13e+3 kg is propelled from the surface of the Earth to a height of 35,786 km above the surface of the Earth. What is its change in gravitational potential energy?

Homework Equations



W=deltaPE
PE=mgdeltah

The Attempt at a Solution



I plugged all the numbers into the given equation to get F=1.6268x10^15
I thought this represented mg in PE=mgh, but after multiplying it with h (and changing h to m rather than km), I didn't come up with the correct answer (which should be 5.96x10^10). Can you tell me where I went wrong?
 
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Well g is not constant over such large distances.
Instead you can use

delta(P.E)= - integral(F.dx) where F is the conservative force.(gravity here).
 
the problem is that g in high altitudes is significantly different.
Work is F*h when F is constant. But F varies with height, and in this case the work is the area below F in a graph where F is drawn against h. Formally:
\int_{r1}^{r2} F dr = \int_{r1}^{r2} \frac{G m_{1} m_{2}}{r^{2}} dr
The area under \frac{1}{r^2} from r=1 to r=r1 is 1 - \frac{1}{r1}
From now on you can compute it even if you don't know what an integral is.
 
Okay, so my integral will be GMm x integral 1/rinitial - 1/rfinal

which gives me GMm (1/6.38e6)-(1/4.138e7), so GMm (1.326e-7), but if I times this by the masses I get G(8.945e20)...but I'm stuck, and this doesn't seem anywhere near the correct answer :/ alas
 
Hang on- that IS the correct answer.
 
Unfortunately my book says the right answer is 5.96x10^10.

How would I possibly get rid of the G in the answer I got (G(8.945e20)) if I don't know what it is? Could I set this equal to something appropriate and make it cancel out?
 
BLAST! Textbook semantics have tricked me again! I assumed we weren't supposed to be able to know this since it's not mentioned in the book. However, it is obviously necessary. Thank you!
 

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