Gravitational Potential energy Problem

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The problem involves a projectile fired vertically from Earth's surface with an initial speed of 3.1 km/s, focusing on calculating the maximum height it can reach while neglecting air drag. The subject area pertains to gravitational potential energy and kinematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, specifically kinetic and gravitational potential energy. There are attempts to manipulate equations to isolate variables related to height. Some participants question the correctness of the potential energy equation and its exponent.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications regarding the equations used. There is a mix of interpretations and attempts to derive the maximum height, with no explicit consensus reached on the final method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in the equations used, particularly regarding the gravitational potential energy formula. There is an acknowledgment of the need for accurate definitions and setups in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is fired vertically from Earth's surface with an initial speed of 3.1 km/s. Neglecting air drag, how far above the surface of Earth will it go?

Homework Equations


KF+UF=KI+UF
U=-G(M1m2)/r2
K=1/2mv2
mass of Earth = 5.972E24
radius of Earth = 6371km
G=6.673E-11

The Attempt at a Solution


1/2mv2F+(-G(M1m2)/r2F=1/2mv20+(-G(M1m2)/r20

I can cancel the m because they're in every term so and final kinetic energy since it should be zero at max height.

(-GM1)/r2F=1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20

Next I try and get the rF by itself

(-GM1)=(1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20)*r2F

(-GM1)/(1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20)=r2F

√(-GM1)/(1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20)=rF

then I subtract rF from the initial r0 to get my answer.
Did I do this right?
 
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SnakeDoc said:

Homework Statement


A projectile is fired vertically from Earth's surface with an initial speed of 3.1 km/s. Neglecting air drag, how far above the surface of Earth will it go?

Homework Equations


KF+UF=KI+UF
U=-G(M1m2)/r2
K=1/2mv2
mass of Earth = 5.972E24
radius of Earth = 6371km
G=6.673E-11

The Attempt at a Solution


1/2mv2F+(-G(M1m2)/r2F=1/2mv20+(-G(M1m2)/r20

I can cancel the m because they're in every term so and final kinetic energy since it should be zero at max height.

(-GM1)/r2F=1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20

Next I try and get the rF by itself

(-GM1)=(1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20)*r2F

(-GM1)/(1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20)=r2F

√(-GM1)/(1/2v20+(-GM1)/r20)=rF

then I subtract rF from the initial r0 to get my answer.
Did I do this right?

I can tell you one thing that's wrong. ##\frac{-G M m}{r}## is potential energy. Your exponent on the ##r## is wrong.
 
Dick said:
I can tell you one thing that's wrong. ##\frac{-G M m}{r}## is potential energy. Your exponent on the ##r## is wrong.
Oh wow I guess I was looking the wrong equation in my notes thanks. I think I got it from here then thanks a lot!
 
Well done:
Note: You could get it all in one go from: $$\frac{1}{2}v^2 -\frac{GM}{R} = -\frac{GM}{(R+r)}$$... and solve for r, where R and M the radius and mass values are for the Earth.

Of course, GM/R^2 = g which is a nicer number to handle.
So the relation becomes: $$\frac{1}{2}v^2 -gR = -\frac{gR^2}{(R+r)}$$
 

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