Gravitational Potential Energy Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational potential energy of a 23 kg block on the surface of the Earth, using the formula U = -G(m1*m2)/r. Participants are exploring the implications of the sign of the result and the absolute value as mentioned in the problem statement.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct application of the gravitational potential energy formula, particularly focusing on the sign of the result and the interpretation of absolute values. There are questions about whether the negative sign was properly included in calculations and if the absolute value is necessary for the final answer.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct interpretation of the formula and the significance of the sign in the context of the problem. Some participants suggest that the original poster may have misapplied the formula, while others confirm the calculations align with their own. The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential oversight of significant figures and the specific wording of the problem, which asks for the gravitational potential energy of an object at the Earth's surface, raising questions about the expected outcome.

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Homework Statement


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Calculate the gravitational potential energy of the interacting pair of the Earth and a 23kg block sitting on the surface of the Earth. You would need to supply the absolute value of this result to move the block to a location very far from the Earth

(actually, you would need to use even more energy than this due to the gravitational potential energy associated with the Sun-block interacting pair).

Homework Equations



U=-G(m1*m2)/r[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



G=6.67*10^(-11)
(radius of the earth)r=6.378*10^6 m
(mass of the earth)m2=5.97*10^24 kg
m1= 23 kg (as the question)

U = (6.67E-11 * 23 * 5.97E24)/6.378E6 = 1,435,963,782

This was incorrect, any help would be appreciated, thanks!
 
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Did you get the right sign for the answer?
 
TSny said:
Did you get the right sign for the answer?

My answer came out positive, I believe it should be negative cause the question states to take the absolute value of the answer. not sure though..
 
Westin said:
My answer came out positive, I believe it should be negative cause the question states to take the absolute value of the answer. not sure though..
The formula for U has a negative sign in it. Didn't see a corresponding negative sign when you plugged numbers into that equation, though.

Always proofread your work.

And don't forget the units!
 
So to get U, i would multiply both sides by a negative, which i would get -1,435,963,782, and then I would take the absolute value of it? so Then it would be 1,435,963,782?
 
Westin said:
So to get U, i would multiply both sides by a negative, which i would get -1,435,963,782, and then I would take the absolute value of it? so Then it would be 1,435,963,782?
Well, your formula from the OP was

U = -G(m1*m2)/r

you apparently didn't include the negative sign in front of G in your calculation. You still need to figure out what the units of U are.
 
SteamKing said:
Well, your formula from the OP was

U = -G(m1*m2)/r

you apparently didn't include the negative sign in front of G in your calculation. You still need to figure out what the units of U are.

Units of U are Joules, my answer was 1,435,963,782J but that was wrong, I'm not sure where I am going wrong
 
Westin said:
Units of U are Joules, my answer was 1,435,963,782J but that was wrong, I'm not sure where I am going wrong

When doing the calculation, did you take into account the negative sign in the formula for U? Note that the question is asking for U. It is not asking for the the absolute value of U.
 
TSny said:
When doing the calculation, did you take into account the negative sign in the formula for U? Note that the question is asking for U. It is not asking for the the absolute value of U.

Yes so then I get -1,435,963,782J , I would leave it as negative then in my answer since its not asking for absolute value of U. I only have last try, could my work be double checked for errors? Thank you for the explanation.
 
  • #10
Using the numbers you stated in the problem, I get the same answer.

I don't know whether or not you are supposed to think about significant figures here. But, in general, you would want to round your answer to an appropriate number of significant figures. I guess you are putting your answers into some program and maybe you don't need to worry about that.

Anyway, I think your answer is now correct. So, I would say go for it. (You are too far away to punch me in the nose if I am wrong.)
 
  • #11
Westin said:
Units of U are Joules, my answer was 1,435,963,782J but that was wrong, I'm not sure where I am going wrong

That's the answer I get. Are you leaving out something from the problem statement?

"Calculate the gravitational potential energy of the interacting pair of the Earth and a 23kg block sitting on the surface of the Earth."

I've never seen a question ask for the potential energy of an object sitting on the surface of the earth.
 
  • #12
Nailed it!
 

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