Gravitational potential energy

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The discussion revolves around determining the kinetic energy of a satellite in a circular orbit around the Earth, specifically focusing on the relationship between kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy. The subject area includes gravitational potential energy and orbital mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of the kinetic energy formula ## K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 ## and question its applicability without the velocity being provided. There is discussion about expressing kinetic energy in terms of the radius of the orbit and the gravitational force acting on the satellite.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the given information and the assumptions made regarding the velocity of the satellite. Some guidance has been offered on how to derive the velocity in terms of gravitational parameters, indicating a productive direction in the exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted absence of the satellite's velocity in the problem statement, which has led to confusion regarding the use of the kinetic energy formula. Participants are also considering the need to relate the kinetic energy to the radius of the orbit.

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Homework Statement


For a satellite of mass ##m_s## in a circular orbit of radius ##r_s## around the Earth, determine its kinetic energy K.

Homework Equations


## K = \frac {1}{2}mv^2 ##
Gravitational potential energy ## U(r) = - \frac {GmM_E}{r}##

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer is ## K = \frac {1}{2}m_sv^2 ## My textbook indicates that this is wrong and avoids using ## K = \frac {1}{2}mv^2 ## without saying why. Perhaps I can't use that equation in this question, but if that's the case, what's the reason? However my textbook states that the total energy for objects far from Earth's surface is the combination of both kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy
##\frac {1}{2}mv_1^2 - G \frac {mM_E}{r_1} = \frac {1}{2}mv_2^2 - G \frac {mM_E}{r_2} ##
Clearly, ## K = \frac {1}{2}mv^2 ## can be used in the same situation as gravitational potential energy. So why can't ## K = \frac {1}{2}mv^2 ## be used to solve the question, but it can be used for the total energy?
 
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The kinetic energy is definitely given by ##\frac{1}{2}m_sv^2##. However, it could be that you are asked to express this kinetic energy in terms of the radius of the orbit. That will require you to express the speed of the satellite in terms of the radius of the orbit.
 
robphy said:
Was v given? (You didn't list it.)
No velocity isn't given
 
Thanks everyone! I see what I did wrong. Velocity isn't given so I cannot use ##K = \frac {1}{2} mv^2 ##
 
You must use ##K=\frac{1}{2}m v^2## but first you have to calculate ##v## in terms of ##G,M_T, R_T+h## using ##\frac{G M_T m}{(R_T + h)^2} = \frac{m v^2}{(R_T + h)}##
 
To follow a circular trajectory of radius ##r_s##, what centripetal force is required ? What is it that exercises this force ? You have expressions for both, so you can equate them to find ##v##, and then the kinetic energy is ##K={\tfrac {1} {2}} mv^2##, expressed in the desired variables.
 

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