Gravitational Time Dilation at Event Horizon

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The discussion centers on gravitational time dilation at the event horizon of a black hole, exploring theoretical implications and the behavior of time for observers in different positions relative to the event horizon. It includes considerations of the formula for time dilation, the nature of observers at the event horizon, and the effects of proximity to the event horizon on perceived time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites the gravitational time dilation formula and questions whether approaching the event horizon allows for an infinite increase in time dilation and if time ceases to pass for an observer at the event horizon.
  • Another participant compares the situation to traveling at the speed of light, asserting that the formula assumes a stationary observer, which is not possible at the event horizon.
  • Questions are raised about the possibility of experiencing significantly different time passage near a black hole compared to Earth, particularly regarding the age of the black hole as perceived from different distances.
  • A participant acknowledges that while one cannot be stationary at the event horizon, it is possible to hover close to it with sufficient acceleration, leading to significant time dilation relative to an observer at infinity.
  • Concerns are expressed about defining time dilation inside the event horizon, where the concept of being stationary does not apply and comparisons of time between inside and outside the horizon are problematic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gravitational time dilation at and near the event horizon, with no consensus reached on the nature of time for observers at these locations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of stationary observers in the time dilation formula, the challenges of defining time inside the event horizon, and the unresolved nature of comparing time between observers at different locations relative to the black hole.

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According to Wikipedia, the gravitational time dilation formula is given by

t_0 = t_f \sqrt{1 - \frac{2GM}{rc^2}} = t_f \sqrt{1 - \frac{r_0}{r}}

where

t0 is the proper time between events A and B for a slow-ticking observer within the gravitational field,

tf is the coordinate time between events A and B for a fast-ticking observer at an arbitrarily large distance from the massive object (this assumes the fast-ticking observer is using Schwarzschild coordinates, a coordinate system where a clock at infinite distance from the massive sphere would tick at one second per second of coordinate time, while closer clocks would tick at less than that rate),

and r is the radial coordinate of the observer.

Does this mean that if we get arbitrarily close to the event horizon we can make our time dilation factor increase arbitrarily without bound? Does this also mean that for an observer on the event horizon time never passes?
 
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This is like asking if time would stand still when traveling at the speed of light. The formula you cite for gravitational time dilation assumes that the observer is stationary and there is simply no way for an observer to be stationary at the event horizon.
 
What about getting arbitrarily close to the event horizon? Would there be a point in space where, say, only ten years have passed since the creation of the black hole though the black hole looks billions of years old from Earth? What about on the other side of the event horizon? How does gravitational time dilation work there?
 
mjordan2nd said:
What about getting arbitrarily close to the event horizon? Would there be a point in space where, say, only ten years have passed since the creation of the black hole though the black hole looks billions of years old from Earth?
Yes. You cannot be stationary at the event horizon, but if you're willing to accept an arbitrarily large acceleration you can hover arbitrarily close to the event horizon and your time dilation relative to an observer at infinity will also be arbitrarily latrge.

What about on the other side of the event horizon? How does gravitational time dilation work there?
It doesn't work at all. There are no such thing as "stationary" inside the event horizon, so we have the same problem with defining time dilation as we have at the event horizon, and a further problem in that there is no possible way to compare the time on the clock inside the horizon with the time outside the horizon.
 

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