Gravitational time dilation, how much?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around gravitational time dilation, specifically comparing the aging of an astronaut on the International Space Station (ISS) to a person on Earth over a period of 30 years. Participants explore the implications of velocity, gravitational effects, and the complexities of general relativity in relation to time flow.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that an astronaut would age about one second less than a person on Earth, questioning if this is correct.
  • Another participant argues that time would move faster in a vacuum, prompting confusion about the relevance of vacuum conditions to time dilation.
  • A participant provides a formula for time dilation in Schwarzschild spacetime, indicating that both velocity and gravitational radius are important for calculating time flow differences.
  • Some participants clarify that being weightless does not directly affect the rate of time flow; rather, it depends on altitude and relative motion.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between gravity and time, with conflicting views on whether gravity makes time go faster or slower.
  • One participant expresses surprise at the calculated result that the astronaut ages less than the person on Earth, attributing this to the significant effects of special relativity due to the ISS's high velocity.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the direction of velocity affects time dilation, with some participants emphasizing the importance of gravitational potential over force.
  • Another participant mentions the practical application of relativity in GPS technology, questioning the methods used to determine necessary corrections for onboard clocks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the effects of gravity and velocity on time dilation, with no consensus reached regarding the specific outcomes or the implications of the discussed factors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the relationship between gravitational potential and time flow, as well as the complexities involved in calculating time dilation effects based on varying conditions.

  • #31
I think your problem concerns your understanding of the word relativity, and the theory too, by the way. All effects of relativity are noted by the observer from a static frame of reference. So from our perspective, an object traveling at near-light speed has near-infinite mass. But for someone in that object, his observations are from his static frame of reference. He is not infinitely heavy and time moves normally for him as far as he is concerned. He will however, note a measurable difference in the aging rate of those who were observing him from their own static frame of reference when he returns to them. That's relativity. Yes, time progresses slower for fast moving objects. It's a fact.

relativity: A state of dependence in which the significance of one entity is solely dependent on that of another.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 79 ·
3
Replies
79
Views
5K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 103 ·
4
Replies
103
Views
7K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
4K
  • · Replies 46 ·
2
Replies
46
Views
5K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
7K