Gravitational Wave Stretching: LIGO Arm vs Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of gravitational waves on the LIGO detector, specifically addressing why the stretching of space by these waves affects the LIGO arm but seemingly does not stretch the light traveling within it. The conversation touches on concepts related to gravitational waves, redshift, and the detection mechanisms of LIGO.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why gravitational waves stretch the LIGO arm but not the light within it, referencing the redshift of distant galaxies as a point of comparison.
  • One participant suggests investigating the magnitude difference between light and matter as a potential avenue for understanding the phenomenon.
  • Another participant notes that many have posed similar questions, indicating that it is included in the LIGO FAQ.
  • A participant explains that LIGO detects changes in the wavelength of laser beams indirectly by observing the phase difference between two beams, which is influenced by the varying lengths of the arms due to gravitational waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and curiosity about the topic, with no clear consensus reached on the underlying mechanisms or implications of the observations discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the interaction between gravitational waves and light, with participants acknowledging the need for further exploration of the concepts involved. There are references to external resources, such as the LIGO FAQ, which may provide additional context but do not resolve the questions raised.

Alfred Cann
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I'm puzzled that the stretching of space by a gravitational wave stretches the LIGO arm but not the light within it. Because we are told that the red shift of a distant galaxy is caused by light being stretched by the expansion of space (the universe).
 
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Alfred Cann said:
I'm puzzled that the stretching of space by a gravitational wave stretches the LIGO arm but not the light within it.
It might be worth investigating the magnitude difference between light and matter... I'm going to now. :-P
Alfred Cann said:
Because we are told that the red shift of a distant galaxy is caused by light being stretched by the expansion of space (the universe).
Such a small amount over a very long time...
 
Alfred Cann said:
I'm puzzled that the stretching of space by a gravitational wave stretches the LIGO arm but not the light within it. Because we are told that the red shift of a distant galaxy is caused by light being stretched by the expansion of space (the universe).

Many people have asked this question, in fact it is even on the LIGO FAQ list:

http://ligo.org/science/faq.php
 
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phyzguy said:
It was worth posting again, my favorite:
faq-aligo-reach.png

I wish I could get it on google maps and point it the way I'm facing...
 

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If I remember correctly, LIGO does not detect changes in the wavelength of its beams directly but by inferring it from how far out of phase two different lasers become.

When they leave, the beams are perfectly in sync, when they come back, any deviation from that is from the fluidity of spacetime.

This is because it spent less time in one arm than the other because it got slightly longer or shorter as the wave passed. That’s why it can be detected from within the wave itself.
 

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