Gravity at a microscopic level

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The discussion centers on the effects of gravity at the subatomic level, particularly regarding its influence on particles like neutrons. Participants explore ongoing theories and experimental evidence related to quantum mechanics and gravity, including the implications of gravitational effects on quantum behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effect of gravity on subatomic particles, suggesting it may have a tiny non-zero force.
  • Another mentions string theory as a prominent candidate for understanding gravity at the quantum level.
  • Experimental evidence is cited regarding the gravitational attraction of single neutrons, referencing the COW experiments that demonstrate gravitationally induced quantum interference.
  • Further discussion includes the development of equations of motion for neutrons in Earth's gravitational field and the observation that confined neutrons exhibit quantum jumps rather than continuous fall.
  • Unresolved issues are raised about whether gravity obeys the inverse square law at subatomic scales and its existence at sub-Planck length scales.

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Participants express various viewpoints and hypotheses regarding gravity at the subatomic level, with no consensus reached on the nature of these effects or the validity of different theories.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific experimental setups and the unresolved nature of certain theoretical questions, such as the behavior of gravity at extremely small scales.

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Hi all,

I was wondering what effect does gravity have on a subatomic particle? I know that physicists have been searching for a theory that combines quantum mechanics and gravity but at a smaller scale, I am guessing gravity has a tiny non zero force?

If the answer is not known, could someone tell me what ongoing theories speculate about the nature of gravity at such small scales?
 
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Well the most famous is of course string theory, and if you have not heard anything about candidates for gravity at quantum level this is nice introduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity

You might also want to check out the forum beneath this one "Beyond the Standard Model", there might be similar questions asked there. Also try the search tool on this forum :-)
 
People have measured the gravitational attraction of single neutrons.
 
math_04 said:
Hi all,

I was wondering what effect does gravity have on a subatomic particle? I know that physicists have been searching for a theory that combines quantum mechanics and gravity but at a smaller scale, I am guessing gravity has a tiny non zero force?

The first successful attempt at detection are referred to as the COW experiments (Collera, Overhauser , and Werner- 1975) and used neutron interferometry to show that earth"s gravitational potential changes the phase of the wavefunction of neutrons.

It is more technically referred to as gravitationally induced quantum interference, and shows that both h and G are determinants of the neutron's behavior.
Some have used this to demonstrate microscopic equivalence Princ. but I think the implications are deeper.
It opened up some interesting areas of research.


More recent "COW" Type exper...http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVH-4M04F1T-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=a0b29ba6b79fd82e3b3c2fa17fcfaed2

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It would be interesting to find out exactly how it would work
 


Mr. Paradox said:
It would be interesting to find out exactly how it would work

With respect to COW...In this article..Page 214- 215... For a particle in the Earth's rotating/accelerating frame the neutron's Lagrangian, Hamiltonian, Eqns. of motion, and phase shift are developed.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Jo...X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA214,M1

In other more recent exper., 'confined' neutrons falling in Earth's g field are shown to be unable to fall continuously, but must take quantum jumps, and are not found at certain heights...fitting QM expectations.

see: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v415/n6869/full/415297a.html

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P.S. I think this thread should be moved to the quantum or gravitational physics section.
 
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Related, unresolved issues are: Does gravity obey the inverse square law at sub atomic scales? Does gravity exist at sub Planck length scales??
 
Vanadium 50 said:
People have measured the gravitational attraction of single neutrons.

Do you mean one neutron being attracted by the earth, or the mutual gravitation between a pair of individual neutrons?
 
One neutron and the earth.
 

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