Greatest debate in modern history? Socialism(not Stalinism) vs Capitalism

[mheslep]

...And none of that would have mattered in the long haul. Britain was decimated by WWI, and frankly history has shown just how much that non-agression pact was worth, eh? You don't need to cross the Channel, if you simply STARVE them. What do you think would happen to the UK, cut-off from the rest of Europe, AND the USA? No one would leave the UK alone in such a situation, and one way or another they would be killed, besieged, or conquered. The fact that it would take time, would be largely irrelevant to my point.

Non-sequitor. That has little or nothing to do with your point on the outcome dependency of the Soviets entering or not entering the war.

 

[Frame Dragger]

Non-sequitor. That has little or nothing to do with your point on the outcome dependency of the Soviets entering or not entering the war.

What? I didn't make that point... The Soviets DID enter the war, as a result of German aggression. There is no reason to believe that Hitler would have moderated himself in any circumstances.

My point is, and was, that the UK depended on Allied forces, and subsequent NATO involvement in the partitioning of Germany. What are you talking about?

EDIT: Oooh, I see, my response to the Manatee...
OK, I'm saying that the UK, as a terribly weakened and isolated nation was bound to be snapped-up by one of the dominant powers at the time, and if Russia didn't become involved, then the Germans would have finished the job; they were fairly clear on that in their planning. If the Soviets then became involved in some "What IF?!" scenario, I sincerely doubt that they would have won. In fact, destroying or occupying GB would be critical in closing the western front in that case.

All of this is somewhat tangential, as we were all originally talking about NATO and its role. You're rat-chasing Sea Cow's deflections... something I have found to be singularly unenlightening.

 

[mheslep]

What? I didn't make that point...

Here:

How would WW2 have gone without Soviet assistance?[..]

You would be speaking German, instead of Russian. ...

 

[Frame Dragger]

Here:

You just sort of ignored my edit... from... well before you posted.

 

[mheslep]

You just sort of ignored my edit... from... well before you posted.

ok, missed it

 

[Frame Dragger]

ok, missed it

Yeah... not really something that needed confirmation, but thanks! Always good to engage in intelligent dialogue with a master of prose from the laconic school. You'll have to forgive me if I choose not to engage with someone who repsonds in a way that would make a Haiku feel cheated. I prefer not to see the thread locked because you want to start a pissing match on PF.

 

[russ_watters]

Guys, get it under control. There are too many people nitpicking tangential points and ignoring the main topics for discussion. If you're here just for petty arguments, leave. That's trolling and it is not acceptable here.

 

[Nusc]

We had quite a lengthy discussion of that topic and though the author of that makes what looks like a compelling point at first glance, one doesn't have to go much deeper to see the point is clearly flawed. The most obvious and damning fact against his point is that inequality is increasing in most western countries, yet most of those measures are improving.

Actually what I meant to say was fettered capitalism with socialist elements.

Not socialism.

 

[russ_watters]

Actually what I meant to say was fettered capitalism with socialist elements.

Not socialism.

Um, ok...but do you still base that opinion on a study with clearly specious logic?

 

[CRGreathouse]

Um, ok...but do you still base that opinion on a study with clearly specious logic?

Russ, this is politics. We don't use studies to form our opinions, just as bludgeons on those with whom we disagree.

 

[Nusc]

Everything you type oozes with anti-Americanist, anti-capitalist propaganda.

No. Anti-republican.

Don't call people "you guys," if you don't want to sound like an uber-nationalist.

You say, "you guys" are "still" fighting over basic healthcare, as if your superior people have progressed beyond that primitive issue.

I'm referring libertarians. You guys are so into your issues it's delusional.

"This Sarah Palin phenomenon is very curious. I think somebody watching us from Mars, they would think the country has gone insane." - Noam Chomsky

Why necessarily Mars?

Take all the profit out of US health industries and see if the Canadian system would avoid bankruptcy.

Give me a study.

 

[Nusc]

Um, ok...but do you still base that opinion on a study with clearly specious logic?

Man if congress consisted of only philosophers that would be very annoying.

 

[Frame Dragger]

Man if congress consisted of only philosophers that would be very annoying.

I'm curious, do you have any interest at all in a reasonable discussion on the topic at hand, or are you only interested in offering this polemic? This thread has been quite interesting until you and the Manatee/Dugong decided thatit would be more fun to troll than anything else. Frankly I'd be thrilled to see a moderator roll this thread back to the last substational discussion that was being had.

This trajectory you're following ends with this thread locked (which may be what you want), or simply continuing to devolve. I don't really think that's fair to the rest of us who would prefer not to resort to what amounts to petty name-calling.

 

[Evo]

Closed pending cleanup.