Dude , crazy traveling as a 3rd world Physicist? What do you think?

[AlexES16]

Dude , crazy traveling as a 3rd world Physicist? What do you think?

Well, i want to becme Physicist, i love it, but i live in El Salvador, the most violent country in Latin America, ever heard about the maras, MS and the 18th street gangs? well I am not a rich person here, so there is a lot of chance that i get killed anyday and like things goes you know climatic change, that will screw this countrys more than the northen countrys. Well the thing is that i am a marxist, i don't defend USSR , north korea or any other state capitalism that screwed the name of socialism. But if i find life to difficult here and my family starts being harrasen by the criminality etc. Is there any chance to travel to north korea, china, rusia or another country that want physicist? Ill do my best to become a great physicist and i only need decent living as a human to live thinking and becoming a physicist+im tire of living in a market oriented society. Dude why CEOs win more than scientist?? Well sorry for my english is not good. I heard that Iran and North korea have nuclear programs.

 

[Noxide]

lol?

 

[MeleeRay]

Living in El Salvador right now is serious, it's no joke. I've done a lot of projects and research on the civil war, Romero, and the gang crisis taking place right now so i know all about the salvatrucha and dieciocho. Alex have you considered coming to the United States to study? The United States is always looking for scientists from other countries, whether to work or study. there are a lot of opportunities and here as opposed to the other countries there will be a lot of other guanacos that will be able to offer community and support. unfortunately no matter what country you are in most likely a ceo is going to be making more than a scientist.

 

[story645]

Is there any chance to travel to north korea, china, rusia or another country that want physicist?

I agree with MeleeRay that if you throw aside politics, the US is probably your best bet. Other apolitical options are Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, pretty much any of the semi-stable south American countries. I know that a lot of Russian universities take foreign students, but you'll probably need to learn a serviceable level of Russian. Your best/safest bet in Russia is one of the big schools in St. Petersburg or Moscow, but Siberia also has a big physics research community. Generally though, the country is a bit xenophobic, so you're not going to have the easiest time there.

 

[Zubin]

Dude why CEOs win more than scientist?

Because CEOs tend to be in a field that involves money.
For a scientist the reward for working hard isn't money, it's the possibility of making a new discovery and furthering the information pool of mankind.

 

[twofish-quant]

If you don't want to live in a market oriented society, avoid China. The only thing communist about it is the name of the ruling party.

 

[AlexES16]

Living in El Salvador right now is serious, it's no joke. I've done a lot of projects and research on the civil war, Romero, and the gang crisis taking place right now so i know all about the salvatrucha and dieciocho. Alex have you considered coming to the United States to study? The United States is always looking for scientists from other countries, whether to work or study. there are a lot of opportunities and here as opposed to the other countries there will be a lot of other guanacos that will be able to offer community and support. unfortunately no matter what country you are in most likely a ceo is going to be making more than a scientist.

Yeah and things are getting worst. So if i study in the national university and get good grades, maybe i can apply to skilled labor migration right? you know i don't want a lot of money, but a human living and without the stress of so much criminality. After 20 years of neoliberalism and ultra market economy things are ugly, they build great commercial malls, build big houses for the rich, there is like an army of private security, but the great majority is suffering from forms of violence or poverty and extreme poverty.

 

[AlexES16]

If you don't want to live in a market oriented society, avoid China. The only thing communist about it is the name of the ruling party.

Yea you are totally right. Dude this country the only thing they can do is be a disgrace to the name of socialism/communism.

 

[AlexES16]

Because CEOs tend to be in a field that involves money.
For a scientist the reward for working hard isn't money, it's the possibility of making a new discovery and furthering the information pool of mankind.

Yeah that's why scientist are noble. I don't why society portrait them as nerds/geeks/weird when they are heroes.

 

[AlexES16]

I agree with MeleeRay that if you throw aside politics, the US is probably your best bet. Other apolitical options are Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, pretty much any of the semi-stable south American countries. I know that a lot of Russian universities take foreign students, but you'll probably need to learn a serviceable level of Russian. Your best/safest bet in Russia is one of the big schools in St. Petersburg or Moscow, but Siberia also has a big physics research community. Generally though, the country is a bit xenophobic, so you're not going to have the easiest time there.

Incredible how the former USSR now is xenophobic and have neonazis. I was reading that in the time of the USSR there were many possibilities to foreign students.

 

[AlexES16]

Have you ever read about the political view of Albert Einstein? you can find the article in Google. The name is "Why Socialism?".

 

[twofish-quant]

After 20 years of neoliberalism and ultra market economy things are ugly, they build great commercial malls, build big houses for the rich, there is like an army of private security, but the great majority is suffering from forms of violence or poverty and extreme poverty.

Thing were heading in the wrong direction in the US, but they are correcting themselves now. Also living in a superpower has its advantages. One problem with 3rd world countries is that the people that make the decisions really don't live there, and so when someone tells El Salvador what to do, then don't have to worry about people demonstrating outside their house, whereas people in NYC do.

 

[twofish-quant]

Yea you are totally right. Dude this country the only thing they can do is be a disgrace to the name of socialism/communism.

Truth be told, things are working pretty well in China right now. One reason for that is that China is big enough so that people can suggest economic and political ideas but no one can impose economic and political ideas, so that the people in charge can pick and choose what works for them, and the general belief among the ruling classes is that the only way they can stay in power is to share some of the wealth. I've never gotten the sense that this is true in Latin America.

Also, CEO's make more money than scientists because of the golden rule, whoever rules gets the gold. This is true in any society that I've seen, but the thing is to structure things so that while the ruling classes get their interests served, everyone else isn't destroyed in the process. This involves keeping things open enough so that most people that can overthrow the system can imagine it working for them, so they end up strengthening it.

One other thing is a pretty large fraction of US CEO's have some sort of engineering degree, among the "ruling elite" in the United States there are a pretty large number of scientists.

 

[AlexES16]

Thing were heading in the wrong direction in the US, but they are correcting themselves now. Also living in a superpower has its advantages. One problem with 3rd world countries is that the people that make the decisions really don't live there, and so when someone tells El Salvador what to do, then don't have to worry about people demonstrating outside their house, whereas people in NYC do.

Yep that's true all the ex presidents live in the USA or Europe and their capital is in foreign country's. And we have the other problem , that is the migration to USA, that destroys family's creating bigger social problems, young people get into gangs, because there is where they found a family, money and acceptation actually here there is no real opportunities for young people.

 

[AlexES16]

Truth be told, things are working pretty well in China right now. One reason for that is that China is big enough so that people can suggest economic and political ideas but no one can impose economic and political ideas, so that the people in charge can pick and choose what works for them, and the general belief among the ruling classes is that the only way they can stay in power is to share some of the wealth. I've never gotten the sense that this is true in Latin America.

Also, CEO's make more money than scientists because of the golden rule, whoever rules gets the gold. This is true in any society that I've seen, but the thing is to structure things so that while the ruling classes get their interests served, everyone else isn't destroyed in the process. This involves keeping things open enough so that most people that can overthrow the system can imagine it working for them, so they end up strengthening it.

One other thing is a pretty large fraction of US CEO's have some sort of engineering degree, among the "ruling elite" in the United States there are a pretty large number of scientists.

Ive readied there is starting a lot of social conflict in China, between the ethnics and social classes. One of my fears is when Climatic Change start making terrible effects, and robots start replacing workers. Things like that don't look good for Latin America or Africa.

 

[AlexES16]

Does Cuba have any research?

 

[scout6686]

Hong Kong is the only place (in the world) that is considered a pure free mkt. It is not mixed economy like most/nearly all places in the world.

China has very little infracture. Decisions are not very effective to everyone in China. I'm mixed with chinese/european and I must say chinese teens tend to be very ambitious- largely due to a lot of interdependent pressure from family.

It's going to be interesting to see how the dynamic between China and America pans out. That's if China is unable to repackage it's debt with us or stop using our currency in reserves.

 

[twofish-quant]

Hong Kong is the only place (in the world) that is considered a pure free mkt.

And this characterization is wildly, wildly incorrect.

It is not mixed economy like most/nearly all places in the world.

It really is. All land is owned by the government, and the government restricts the sale of land which keeps rents high. Since a large fraction of people in HK live in public housing, the government can use rental income to keep income taxes low. Also the government does intervene very heavily in the economy. It does so in ways that are pro-business, but it's not a laissez faire economy by any stretch of the imagination.

China has very little infracture.

China has a huge amount of infrastructure. It went from 10 km of superhighway to 20,000 km in ten years.

 

[scout6686]

And this characterization is wildly, wildly incorrect.

Hong Kong is widely known as the closest 'living' example of what a pure free-mkt would look like.It really is. All land is owned by the government, and the government restricts the sale of land which keeps rents high. Since a large fraction of people in HK live in public housing, the government can use rental income to keep income taxes low. Also the government does intervene very heavily in the economy. It does so in ways that are pro-business, but it's not a laissez faire economy by any stretch of the imagination.
China has a huge amount of infrastructure. It went from 10 km of superhighway to 20,000 km in ten years.

Name an economy that is more open and free as the one in Hong Kong?

My view of China is that it has the same capitalistic attitude we had just too late; it has superhighway which is great BUT there are not enough social programs and infrastructure to distribute resources. The cities, while wildly polluted, do not represent the rest of the country which is considerably diffused.

I'm surprised their 'bundle of rights' are so restrained. Might be to preserve China's hand over proprietorship.

Laissez faire sounds exciting - Some parts of the middle east resemble laissez faire but not absolutely. I've heard nomadic communities in middle east/Sudan in Sahara are highly competitive and it is commonly expressed that their should be some support in the form of buffers.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Well, i want to becme Physicist, i love it, but i live in El Salvador, the most violent country in Latin America, ever heard about the maras, MS and the 18th street gangs?

Yes. We have franchises of those gangs here in Southern California.

 

[MeleeRay]

Yes. We have franchises of those gangs here in Southern California.

The gangs originated here in the United States and were made multi-national in the 90's when the us president Clinton sent some 100000 gang members to countries like el salvador

 

[twofish-quant]

Name an economy that is more open and free as the one in Hong Kong?

Depends on how you define "open" and "free". Also I've found that trying to work things so that everything about an economy can be reduced to one number causes people to miss things.

I'm surprised their 'bundle of rights' are so restrained. Might be to preserve China's hand over proprietorship.

Not really, and this goes to your definition of "free". The people that run and rule Hong Kong are the business elite who are generally very pro-Beijing as long as Beijing keeps letting them make money. The thing about Hong Kong is that the electoral system is designed to keep the business people in charge of the SAR. If you opened up the electoral system, then people would probably demand some changes that would make Hong Kong a little less friendly to businesses. Would that make Hong Kong more free and open or less free and open, well that depends on your definition of free and open.

Laissez faire sounds exciting - Some parts of the middle east resemble laissez faire but not absolutely. I've heard nomadic communities in middle east/Sudan in Sahara are highly competitive and it is commonly expressed that their should be some support in the form of buffers.

Getting back to the topic of this thread. Third world countries and laissez-faire societies tend to be awful for physicists. Physicists tend to be hired by the government and certainly trained with government money, which implies that you have a pretty large state as well as a large economy that can support the investment in things.

 

[AlexES16]

Depends on how you define "open" and "free". Also I've found that trying to work things so that everything about an economy can be reduced to one number causes people to miss things.



Not really, and this goes to your definition of "free". The people that run and rule Hong Kong are the business elite who are generally very pro-Beijing as long as Beijing keeps letting them make money. The thing about Hong Kong is that the electoral system is designed to keep the business people in charge of the SAR. If you opened up the electoral system, then people would probably demand some changes that would make Hong Kong a little less friendly to businesses. Would that make Hong Kong more free and open or less free and open, well that depends on your definition of free and open.



Getting back to the topic of this thread. Third world countries and laissez-faire societies tend to be awful for physicists. Physicists tend to be hired by the government and certainly trained with government money, which implies that you have a pretty large state as well as a large economy that can support the investment in things.

Will Cuba be a good place for a Physicist?.

 

[Borek]

Will Cuba be a good place for a Physicist?.

Doubtful. Research requires money which they don't have. Research requires free access to abroad travel, which they don't have. Research requires free communication, access to literature - these things are limited for both economical and political reasons.

I happen to live in a post-communist country, and I am old enough to remember iron curtain times. There is really not much to regret and crave for.

 

[AlexES16]

Doubtful. Research requires money which they don't have. Research requires free access to abroad travel, which they don't have. Research requires free communication, access to literature - these things are limited for both economical and political reasons.

I happen to live in a post-communist country, and I am old enough to remember iron curtain times. There is really not much to regret and crave for.

After a lot of studying and comments like yours I've had forget that crazy thing about communism, looks like free market capitalism is the success.

 

[DukeofDuke]

DUDE I've wanted to do this for a long time now! Been thinking about it for about two years...

I'm interested in seeing the responses, I'm wondering how feasible it would be to be a traveling physics professor/teacher, spreading the good book (by that I mean the Feynman Lectures).

EDIT

hmmm. seems like this is actually not related to being a crazy traveling physicist.

 

[AlexES16]

DUDE I've wanted to do this for a long time now! Been thinking about it for about two years...

I'm interested in seeing the responses, I'm wondering how feasible it would be to be a traveling physics professor/teacher, spreading the good book (by that I mean the Feynman Lectures).

EDIT

hmmm. seems like this is actually not related to being a crazy traveling physicist.

Hahaha, well if that makes you happy go for it. But you can teach physics withouth really having to travel around the world.

 

[DukeofDuke]

Hahaha, well if that makes you happy go for it. But you can teach physics withouth really having to travel around the world.

heh, but where's the fun in that? Don't take me for some kind of altruist or good person here, if I could I'd hop on a Pirate ship and that'd be that

 

[Frzn]

You...you might want to reconsider North Korea.