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News Greenpeace vs. Japanese Whalers WHO WILL WIN?

  1. Dec 26, 2005 #1

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051226/sc_afp/australiajapanwhales [Broken]
    Greenpeace is at it again with an "Arctic Rising" campagin, I don't know what they do, do they just drive next to the ship and yell at them or what? Don't those boats pollute?
     
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  3. Dec 27, 2005 #2
    fishermen > tree hugging hippies
     
  4. Dec 27, 2005 #3
    ya my money's on the sailors :frown:
     
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  6. Dec 27, 2005 #5
    I hate Greenpeace. I would respect them if they actually stood for something, but all they do is go around shouting their liberal propoganda. They don't care about helping anyone but themselves. Didn't they give out pamphlets to children about how their mommy and daddy kill, because they eat meat? What a bunch of crap, totally inappropriate. Shame on you Greenpeace. I hate you. :mad:

    Edit: Oops, that was PETA handing out the pamphlets. I hate them too now.

    No, in all seriousness. It’s good that they expose these injustices that go on. But some of the extreme actions that they take are no better than what they are trying to stop. Like burning down buildings. They even had one nut job on the news a while ago saying he would kill people that did lab experiments on animals, and this guy was a doctor in a hospital! They have one site about killing dogs and cats for fur in china. They were torturing the animals. It was very sad, and made me depressed.
     
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  7. Dec 27, 2005 #6

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    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=103668".
    Some people are blind, and won't listen to anybody else's opinion. I saw a PETA representative on FOX a few days ago. PETA says be nice, don't eat meat. Neil Kavuto asks if Jesus ate meat or not. She says there is a large following of people who believe Jesus was a vegetarian. Nice try!
    Congratulations, you are another victom of the media.
     
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  8. Dec 28, 2005 #7

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    I LOVE this!!!
    He even added a reference!!
     
  9. Dec 28, 2005 #8
    I can give you a link to the video so you can watch it for your self. Its very sad.
     
  10. Dec 28, 2005 #9

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    Thanks, but no. >>:biggrin:<<
     
  11. Dec 28, 2005 #10
    So they torture them? You do know that they eat them right? They don't just take their fur.

    I know, it was pretty funny.
     
  12. Dec 28, 2005 #11
    Yeah yeah, I know. But still, you don’t have to do some of the things they were doing. They were doing it just for fun. If their eating the animals, it really makes no point. It’s more a matter of being low enough to torture a caged animal for your amusement. But in this video they were skinning them. I don't know what they did with the carcass'. If you want to eat it, kill it and eat it. Don't make it suffer more than it has to for your own pleasure. I don't object to them eating dog or cats, a hindu would think were crazy for eating cows.
     
  13. Dec 28, 2005 #12

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    What did they do to torture it? Tape a steak to the outside of their cage?
     
  14. Dec 28, 2005 #13
    I have read that they skin dogs alive and/or very shortly after they are killed because if they don't the skin starts to stick. It wont come off as easily and they could ruin the pelts that way. They may be preparing the dogs to be skinned or they're just kinda sociopathic by the mere fact that their job is to kill and skin animals.
     
  15. Dec 28, 2005 #14
    I wont go into what they did on here, because it would depress the hell outa anyone that reads it. Im still bummed from that video a day later. I can send you the link MK, then you wont make that joke. You will have tears running down your cheeks.

    There was a show on the discovery channel, called going tribal. In one episode, he was in tibet?. There they had a annual killing of a bull? that the hole community did together. They killed it in a not so nice way, but that was different. They were a small village, and killing the animal brought them closer. Then they used the animals flesh for food, and its skin for clothing. It was part of their tradition. I don't take offense to that. But these a** holes were just greedy b****rds that were taking fun at harming caged animals for their own greed. The video just speaks for itself.
     
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  16. Dec 29, 2005 #15
    What did greenpeace do that you hate them for?
     
  17. Dec 29, 2005 #16
    They spread liberal propogader....

    Anyone who equate Greenpeace with "liberalism" or perhaps "socialism" needs a lessons in Politics.. (because I have heard numerous people equate "liberalism" and "Solicalism" together, and also "socialism: with "communism")

    I think we should put a stickie up in this forum that defines what Political terms mean

    Ohh and by the way GreenPeace are not "Liberals"
     
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  18. Dec 29, 2005 #17
    I concur. Speaking as a diehard Liberal :P (in the British sense mind, there's a big difference) I get slightly annoyed when people call Greenpeace Liberal. One of the centrel tenets of liberalism is the freedom of the induvidual - for Greenpeace to achieve their goals they have to coerce people to follow their dogma (e.g. eat meat or die etc.). They are also fundamentally illiberal when it comes to issues of trade - trying to get people to buy local food instead of importing it from elsewhere due to the pollution caused by transporting it. Whilst this is a problem it essentially amounts to protectionism and works as a tax on the poor by denying third world farmers access to our markets even further and is entirely illiberal (there are other solutions that don't involve screwing the poor but they don't seem to care). Also their way of dealing with excessive CO2 consumption is not to involve the market (e.g. the carbon credits scheme) but by using the state to coerce polluting industries into submission, which would have the effect of destroying them in most cases, with the inevitable job losses and negative effect on the national economy which that would entail.

    To conclude, Greenpeace are a group of brainless hippies who would be best described as socialist (state above the induvidual, promoting a command and control economy, 'father knows best' laws coercing people to follow a government line etc.) and certainly not liberal.
     
  19. Dec 29, 2005 #18
    it is not about the pollution of the boats. It is about the commercial slaughter of whales for food.
     
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  20. Dec 29, 2005 #19
    Greenpeace are not liberal. Please stop equating extreme positions with liberalism which simply stands for social justice for all people.
     
  21. Dec 29, 2005 #20
    Not even Socialist. Socialism still allows private business and citizens to have control over their doings with out control (though regulations do exist, they are bounds, not directives)
    Greenpeace would be more appropriately equated to communism, more likely Trotskyism or leninism than Stalinism or maoism (and certainly not cambodian style)
     
  22. Dec 29, 2005 #21
    Since when do you equate socialism or communism with control economy? Any economic control is decided by the people democratically. Both ideologies revolve around democracy.

    Greenpeace, to my knowledge, are "people" who care about the environment and are willing to do whatever it takes to see that innocent creatures are not wrongfully killed.
     
  23. Dec 29, 2005 #22
    :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    Let me get this straight you are saying that communism, at least EVERY implimented type we have had on earth, is a form of Democracy? I take it you have never seen Communism in practise?
     
  24. Dec 29, 2005 #23
    and yes u are right, they are activest, they policies are nothing to do with communism or solicialism... And IMO they do good work...

    http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentlookup.cfm?SitekeyParam=C-A&CFID=3771754&CFTOKEN=51484850&MenuPoint=C [Broken]
     
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  25. Dec 29, 2005 #24
    well what an impatial description! Imo their anti-nuclear rhetoric destroys their scientific integrity - as an organisation they seem entrenched in this idea that 'nature = good, artificial = bad' and eschew efforts to reduce environmental damage through science, preferring to throw mankind back into a technological dark age and 'solve' our problems that way - their policies would be ridiculously damaging to pretty much every developed economy on this planet - the fact that there isn't a single good economic head on anybody high up in the greenpeace eschelons makes them a laughing stock imo (to be honest if I want a laff I'll hire some clowns, but these people will do in a pinch).

    The fact that they're so against using nuclear power for civil power generation (what on earth do they think is an option? Turning Scotland into the world's largest wind farm? They're even turning against wind power now because by its nature it has to be built in places of outstanding natural beauty. Muppets.) and anti GM foods for no damn good scientific reason whatsoever.

    Honestly, I don't care if they have good intentions. I won't invoke Godwin's law by bringing in you-know-who but you get the idea. There are plenty of other NGOs which work in the areas Greenpeace do who aren't a bunch of quacks.

    [edit]and their mission statement doesn't say why they aren't socialist/communist (part of that authoritarian command and control crowd). Talk to an activist for a few minutes to see what I mean - it's the effects of their policies which mark them out as fundamentally illiberal. They've become much more than an activist organisation[/edit]
     
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  26. Dec 29, 2005 #25
    Considering the UK has what 10 at a streach Nuclear power plants, banning them wouldnt put the UK back in the dark ages. What it would do would "Focus" Science on finding a safer renewable energy source.. For Example the Sun.
    I dont aggree with everything they stand for, but they are a force for good more often than not... Focusing the media on issues that we need to deal with.. FOr example Global warming, They have been harping on about this for Years!!! Now only do we deside it is a problem...
    GreenPeace are NOT communists.. Come on they believe in stopping Globalisation ruining the world, not in authoritarian regiems..
    Most of the Greenpeace voters I know are stoned out of there minds most of the time to become dictors :rofl:
     
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