Green's Function in the wave equation

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's function in the context of the three-dimensional wave equation. The original poster seeks assistance in using a given Green function to solve an inhomogeneous wave equation involving a delta function and an exponential term.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition and properties of Green's functions, with some referencing relevant texts. Questions arise regarding the integration process and the implications of the exponential term in the inhomogeneous equation. There is also exploration of the notation and the treatment of delta functions in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights from various resources and questioning the setup of the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of delta functions, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take for evaluating the integral.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing forms of wave equations in various texts, and participants express concern over the lack of clarity in the problem's notation. The urgency of completing the problem is noted, as well as the challenge posed by the specific terms involved in the equation.

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Homework Statement


The Green function for the three dimensional wave equation is defined by,

[tex]\left ( \nabla^2 - \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2} \right ) G(\vec r, t) = \delta(\vec r) \delta(t)[/tex]

The solution is,

[tex]G(\vec r, t) = -\frac{1}{4 \pi r} \delta\left ( t - \frac{r}{c} \right )[/tex]

Here r = |r|. Use this Green function to find f(r, t) for all r and t, where f is a solution to the inhomogenous wave equation:

[tex]\left ( \nabla^2 - \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2} \right ) f(\vec r,t) = Ae^{- \alpha r^2} \delta (t)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



My professor did not go over this nearly at all. I need a significant amount of help getting started.
 
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The general theory of Green functions states that, given a differential operator [tex]\cal{D}_{\mathbf{x}}[/tex], the solutions [tex]\phi(\mathbf{x})[/tex] to the inhomogenous equation

[tex]{\cal D}_{\mathbf{x}} \phi(\mathbf{x}) = j(\mathbf{x})[/tex]

are given by

[tex]\phi(\mathbf{x}) = \int d\mathbf{x}' ~ G( \mathbf{x},\mathbf{x}') j(\mathbf{x}'),[/tex]

where the Green function [tex]G( \mathbf{x},\mathbf{x}')[/tex] is the solution to the equation

[tex]{\cal D}_{\mathbf{x}} G( \mathbf{x},\mathbf{x}') = \delta(\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{x}').[/tex]

This is covered in just about any math methods text, as well as most EM and QM texts.
 
Yes, I found some information in both Jackson's EM and a math methods book. However, the wave equations they solve are in different forms. I can't find any information anywhere about there being an exponential on the right hand side.

Also, this page derives the solution that is given to me in the problem,

http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Class/phy319/phy319/node75.html

But what can I do with the exponential on the RHS?

The geometry of the problem offers the fact that, [itex]r^2 = r_0^2 -(ct)^2 - 2rct cos \theta[/itex]
 
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Everything on the RHS of the inhomogeneous equation is the current j(x). I haven't checked how tricky the integration is to do though.
 
Ok, so I have to evaluate the integral,

[tex]f(\vec r, t) = \int \int G(r', t') j(r') d^3r' dt' = -\frac{A}{4 \pi}\int \int \frac{e^{- \alpha r'^2}}{r'} \delta\left ( t' - \frac{r'}{c} \right ) \delta (t') d^3r' dt'[/tex]

(Why is the convention in several disciplines to put the dr term in front? I've noticed this a lot recently)
 
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There is a time integration. In my notation [tex]\mathbf{x} = (t,\vec{x})[/tex]. You can also see the time integration in the very last equation on that Duke U page that you linked. The appropriate form of the Green function is (11.63) on that page. Whoever wrote this problem up didn't bother to use a notation where it's clear that the Green function depends on a pair of coordinates: G(x,t,x',t'). The expressions that you wrote need to be modified accordingly.
 
My professor is lazy and always just takes x'=t'=x0=t0=0. In fact, that page I linked is what he handed out to us, and was all the info I had until I looked in textbooks from other classes. At any rate, it is crucial that i finish this problem tonight, what process should I follow to evaluate the integral?

Should I find the Fourier transforms of the delta functions to remove time dependence?
 
kreil said:
My professor is lazy and always just takes x'=t'=x0=t0=0. In fact, that page I linked is what he handed out to us, and was all the info I had until I looked in textbooks from other classes. At any rate, it is crucial that i finish this problem tonight, what process should I follow to evaluate the integral?

Should I find the Fourier transforms of the delta functions to remove time dependence?

No, I realized that you have two delta functions, one in the Green function and one in the current. Those completely fix the r' and t' integrals, so you'll just have a trivial angular integral to do. You should just be able to take G(r-r', t-t'), but you can double-check your expression with the formulas on that page.
 
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The angular integrals just give a factor of 4pi and an [itex]r'^2[/itex]. The first delta function blows up at r' = ct', but the second at t'=0, so do I just evaluate the function for r'=ct'? Something doesn't feel right about evaluating the first delta function with r'=ct' since it has a t' term in it as well, and we are also integrating with respect to that.
 
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No, I told you to look at 11.63 for the proper expression for the Green function. The delta function that appears is

[tex]\delta\left( t -t' - \frac{|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}{c}\right).[/tex]

I probably mispoke before when I said that this would fix the r' integration, since [tex]|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|\neq r -r'[/tex]. However it might still work out that way because of the spherical symmetry of the current. In any case, the t' integration should be fixed by the [tex]\delta(t')[/tex] factor.
 

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