Group Action and a Cartesian Product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of group actions, specifically focusing on how a group G acts on the Cartesian product of two sets X and Y. Participants explore the definitions and proofs related to this group action, examining the properties and requirements for it to hold true.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a definition of a group action on the Cartesian product as G x (X x Y) --> (X x Y) and questions if their proof is correct.
  • Another participant points out a potential typo in the original proof and suggests verifying the action directly with the equation g.(x,y) = (g.x,g.y).
  • A third participant clarifies that the goal is to define and prove a general and simple action on the Cartesian product.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to show that g1*(g2*(x))=(g1*g2)(x) and g1*(g2*(y))=(g1*g2)(y) as part of the proof.
  • One participant raises a question about whether a different operator would be needed when g operates on elements of Y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the proof and the definitions involved. There is no clear consensus on the correctness of the initial proof or the necessity of different operators for the group action on Y.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the group action and the sets involved may be missing, and the discussion does not resolve whether the proposed proof is valid or if the operator for Y should differ.

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Suppose a group G and it acts on a set X and a set Y.

(a) A simple group action on the cartesian product would be defined as such:

G x (X x Y) --> (X x Y)

to prove this is a group action could I just do this:

Suppose a g1 and g2 in G. g1*(g2*(x,y))=g1*g2(x). This is obvious. Basically is the proof extremely easy. I just grabbed this example out of a book and was wondering if I am close.
 
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chaotixmonjuish said:
Suppose a group G and it acts on a set X and a set Y.

(a) A simple group action on the cartesian product would be defined as such:

G x (X x Y) --> (X x Y)

to prove this is a group action could I just do this:

Suppose a g1 and g2 in G. g1*(g2*(x,y))=g1*g2(x). This is obvious. Basically is the proof extremely easy. I just grabbed this example out of a book and was wondering if I am close.

Not sure what your question is but you seem to have a typo in your last equation.

g.(x,y) = (g.x,g.y) works on the direct product. Verify this directly.
 
I guess the question is asking for me to define and prove a very general and simple action on that cartesian product.
 
Yeah, basically you just need to show that g1*(g2*(x))=(g1*g2)(x) and g1*(g2*(y))=(g1*g2)(y), which is really what the definition states. I think.
 
For the sake of group theory, when g operates on y in Y, would it need to be using a different operator such as '$'
 

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