High School How Does Group Orbit Theory Relate Torus and Cylinder Structures?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between group orbit theory and the structures of toruses and cylinders. It highlights that both structures arise from the orbits of groups under addition, with the torus represented by the group of pairs of integers and the cylinder by the action of integers on the real line. A key point raised is the lack of a height dimension in the torus compared to the cylinder, leading to the suggestion that a circle might serve as a better analogy than a cylinder. The conversation emphasizes the distinct actions of these groups on their respective spaces. Ultimately, the analogy between the torus and cylinder structures is debated, with a focus on their differing dimensions and group actions.
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I was listening to this lecture: and in it, sometime around the 30:00 to 40:00 minute mark, he implies that the torus' sturcture built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real plane is the same idea as the cylinder's structure being built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real line. This makes sense to me, except for the fact that it seems to me that in the case of the cylinder, it shouldn't have any height in order to be analogous to the torus. Moving around the circumference of the cylinder is equated with cycling through the different orbits, similar to moving along either circle in the torus. However there is nothing in the torus analogous to the moving along the height of the cylinder, and so it seems to me that a better analogy would use a circle instead of a cylinder. Is that the case, or am I missing something?
 
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jackferry said:
However there is nothing in the torus analogous to the moving along the height of the cylinder, and so it seems to me that a better analogy would use a circle instead of a cylinder.

but you can go from a circle of the torus to another circle of the torus, so this orbit is a cylinder.
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jackferry said:
I was listening to this lecture:, sometime around the 30:00 to 40:00 minute mark, he implies that the torus' sturcture built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real plane is the same idea as the cylinder's structure being built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real line.

The cylinder is the space of orbits of the action of the integers on the plane. The action can be taken to be horizontal translation of the plane by an integer amount. ##n⋅(x,y) = (x+n,y)##. The orbit space of the action of the integers on the real line ##n⋅x=x+n## is a circle.

For the torus the group is different. It is the group ##Z×Z## the group of pairs of integers ##(n,m)## under coordinatewise addition. Its action on the plane is ##(n,m)⋅(x,y) = (n+x,m+y)##.
 
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