Guess Who Didn't Say it? Bonus Points for Knowing the True Story

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The discussion revolves around famous quotes that are commonly misattributed to individuals, exploring the origins and contexts of these quotes. Participants share various quotes, identify the individuals they are typically attributed to, and discuss the true sources or contexts behind them.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the concept of misattributed quotes and provides the first example: "Elementary, my dear Watson."
  • Another participant suggests "Sherlock Holmes?" as the answer to the first quote.
  • Multiple participants discuss the quote "Play it again Sam," noting that the actual line is "Play it Sam."
  • There is mention of the quote "To arms, to arms, the British are coming," with one participant suggesting it was obscenely laced in its original form.
  • Another participant references Paul Revere's actual message, stating he never explicitly said the commonly attributed phrase.
  • Discussion includes the quote "Luke, I am your father," with a participant noting that Darth Vader did not use Luke's name in the original line.
  • One participant mentions the quote "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt," attributing it to Mark Twain but noting it is also linked to others like Abraham Lincoln and Confucius.
  • Another participant discusses the quote "E = mc^2," clarifying that while Einstein used it, he also expressed skepticism about mass-energy conversion in a later statement.
  • There is a discussion about a quote attributed to Nelson Mandela, which was actually said by Marianne Williamson, highlighting how quotes can change meaning based on their attribution.
  • One participant humorously suggests that printed quotes can be trusted, contrasting them with internet quotes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the misattribution of various quotes, but multiple competing views remain regarding the true origins and contexts of these quotes. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Some quotes are discussed without clear sources, and assumptions about their origins may vary. The discussion highlights the complexity of attribution and the potential for misinterpretation over time.

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The ground rules are to give a famous (or at least somewhat known) quote that really wasn't uttered, and definitely not uttered by the person it's attributed to.

That's important - that the quote wasn't really uttered by the person it's usually attributed to.

The object is to guess who the quote is usually attributed to. Bonus points for knowing the true story behind the quote.


Just to make the idea clear, I'll give the first quote (an incredibly easy one).

"Elementary, my dear Watson."
 
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Sherlock Holmes?
 
Play it again Sam.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
Play it again Sam.

What Rick really said was "Play it Sam"
 
To arms, to arms, the British are coming.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
To arms, to arms, the British are coming.

I think what Paul actually said was laced with obscenities so we can't print it here.
 
Gad said:
Sherlock Holmes?

Yes, but to get the bonus points, you had to name the story in which he didn't say it. :smile:

The closest he came to saying this was in the story, "The Crooked Man":

"I see that you are professionally rather busy just now," said he, glancing very keenly across at me.

"Yes, I've had a busy day," I answered. "It may seem very foolish in your eyes," I added, "but, really, I don't know how you deduced it."

Homes chuckled to himself.

"I have the advantage of knowing your habits, my dear Watson," said he. "When your round is a short one, you walk, and when it is a long one, you use a hansom. As I perceive that your boots, although used, are by no means dirty, I cannot doubt that you are at present busy enough to justify the hansom."

"Excellent!" I cried.

"Elementary," said he.

All the parts are there - just not in the same sentence.
 
The world will end on Dec 21, 2012.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
The world will end on Dec 21, 2012.

:smile:
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
To arms, to arms, the British are coming.

phinds said:
I think what Paul actually said was laced with obscenities so we can't print it here.

Longfellow didn't say this either, which kind of surprised me.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,---
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.

He never actually says what the message was.


Newman Hall came close to saying it though:

To arms! To arms! ye soldiers,
The trumpet call obey!
Arise from dreary slumbers
To watch, and fight, and pray.
 
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Luke, I am your father.
 
  • #12
SHISHKABOB said:
Luke, I am your father.

Darth Vader. (He didn't use Luke's name, which certainly tempted Luke to respond: "You talkin' to me?!")
 
  • #13
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".
 
  • #14
It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.



King Kong

hahaha
 
  • #15
It is better to have loved and lost a short girl than to have never loved a tall.
 
  • #16
Veni, vidi, relinqui.

Caesar didn't say this because he won the battle
 
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E = mc^2

What he actually wrote was
If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes
by L/V^2 (V was the symbol he used for c)
 
  • #18
F=ma

Seriously, he never said it or wrote it.
 
  • #19
BobG said:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

I've seen this attributed to Mark Twain many times.
 
  • #20
BobG said:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

zoobyshoe said:
I've seen this attributed to Mark Twain many times.

It's most often attributed to Mark Twain... plus to Abraham Lincoln, Confuscious, George Eliot... and any of them could have said it in private conversation, or something very similar, but none of them said this in any of their published works.

Its source probably comes from this:

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." -- Bible, 'Proverbs' 17:28
 
  • #21
On the early Civil War Winchester rifle:

That darn Yankee rifle that you load on Sunday and shoot all week long.
 
  • #22
"Well, that escalated quickly"
 
  • #23
Jimmy Snyder said:
E = mc^2

What he actually wrote was
If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes
by L/V^2 (V was the symbol he used for c)

That's what he wrote in his 1905 paper. In 1929 he was quoted as saying conversion of much mass to energy was unrealistic. He did use E=mc^2 later.
 
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"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."
 
  • #25
'Beam me up, Scotty'
 
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This quote got misattributed to a famous man who quoted it in a speech:

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. "
 
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zoobyshoe said:
This quote got misattributed to a famous man who quoted it in a speech:

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. "

Nelson Mandela. It doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't be the originator of the quote, since a famous person quoting a less famous person tends to link the quote to the person people remember (just like songs - how many people know the songwriter?). What surprises me is that he apparently never used this in a speech at all.

Who did say it? Marrianne Williamson in her book, "A Return to Love".

Williamson reveals how we each can become a miracle worker by accepting God and by the expression of love in our daily lives. Does that quote sound different based on who its attributed to and based on its context?
 
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Okay, one that a famous politician actually did quote, even though the quote is not attributed to him (the politician also attributed it to the wrong person, which actually isn't surprising knowing the politician).

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
 
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BobG said:
Who did say it? Marrianne Williamson in her book, "A Return to Love".

Williamson reveals how we each can become a miracle worker by accepting God and by the expression of love in our daily lives. Does that quote sound different based on who its attributed to and based on its context?

I can't believe I actually knew that! I read that book when I was pregnant, and I recall I was really moved by that exact quote, "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure." Even as an atheist I find it very inspiring.
 
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micromass said:
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."
As Abraham Lincoln once said, "People are often misquoted on the Internet."
 

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