Hadronization in electron-positron collisions

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The discussion revolves around the use of electron-positron collisions to study hadronization, specifically examining the ratio of cross sections for hadron production versus muon pair production. Participants explore the implications of including higher-order corrections in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and the experimental methodologies involved in analyzing these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the data shows good agreement with first-order approximations, but even better agreement when including higher-order corrections from the process e-e+ → q q̄ g.
  • Another participant clarifies that the presence of a third jet is not guaranteed when including q q̄ g contributions, as it depends on the jet clustering algorithm used.
  • There is a suggestion that the total cross sections are insensitive to the specific momentum configurations of the final state particles, which may justify the inclusion of higher-order corrections.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relevance of hadronization effects in the context of the original question, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the topic.
  • One participant emphasizes that the experimental approach counts hadrons produced in collisions, which theoretically corresponds to the production of quarks and gluons, but does not directly use them in the analysis.
  • Another participant mentions that constructing observables less sensitive to higher-order corrections would require specific theoretical calculations, which may have their own complications.
  • A later reply references the educational value of the plot in understanding quark properties, suggesting its foundational role in high-energy particle physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and implications of including higher-order corrections in the analysis of cross sections. There is no consensus on the necessity or appropriateness of using the e-e+ → q q̄ g process for the discussed plots, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of jets and the complexity of higher-order corrections, suggesting that the discussion is limited by assumptions about the experimental setup and theoretical frameworks.

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Hello! I am looking at the plot showing the ratio of cross sections of ##e^-e^+## to hadron, to ##e^-e^+## to ##\mu^+\mu^-##. Doing a first order approximation the data is in pretty good agreement (an error of about 10%). However when the first order correction to the QCD is added, coming from ##e^-e^+ \to q\bar{q}g##, the agreement is almost perfect. I am a bit confused about why, experimentally, one would use the ##e^-e^+ \to q\bar{q}g## for this kind of plot. Isn't the final product, in this case, made of 3 jets, compared to the case in which no gluon is produced in the final state? So can't one only use the events with only 2 jets in the final state and in that case the prediction from first order approximation will already be perfect compared to the experiment? (I don't know if one method is better than the other I am just wondering if that approach would be possible). Thank you!
 
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kelly0303 said:
I am looking at the plot showing the ratio of cross sections of e−e+e^-e^+ to hadron, to e−e+e^-e^+ to μ+μ−\mu^+\mu^-.

I guess you are talking about the ratio of the total cross sections \sigma(e^+e^-\to \text{hadrons})/\sigma(e^+e^-\to \mu^+\mu^-) as a function of center of mass energy (the R ratio).

But I don't really understand your question.

First of all, just because you are considering the contributions from ##q\bar{q}g##, this does not mean you have a three jet event. What you call a "jet" depends highly on how you define "jet", i.e. which algorithm you are using to cluster particles into jets. In general you will only get a third jet when you radiate a hard gluon. In case the emitted gluon is almost collinear to one of the quarks or very soft, it will usually not be clustered into a separate jet.

But this is completely irrelevant to your question (if I understand it correctly), because you are looking only at the total cross sections, which means you are insensitive to the different momentum configurations of the final state particles.

So including one higher order in perturbation theory (which means including ##q\bar{q}g## events as well as virtual corrections to ##q\bar{q}## in your calculation) will give you a higher precision in the cross section ##\sigma(e^+e^-\to \text{hadrons})##. Why do you think you should not be able to compare this to the cross section ##\sigma(e^+e^-\to \mu^+\mu^-)## just as before? Or are we talking about different plots?

I also don't really understand the title of your question, because nowhere in the rest of it are you talking about hadronization effects.
 
kelly0303 said:
I am a bit confused about why, experimentally, one would use the e−e+→q¯qge−e+→qq¯ge^-e^+ \to q\bar{q}g for this kind of plot.
Experimentally you are not using any quarks or gluons. You essentially just count how often you see hadrons in your collisions. From the point of view of the (perturbative) theory calculation this corresponds to the production of an arbitrary number of quarks and gluons (which then somehow form the hadrons you actually observe). However, every additional gluon comes with a coupling factor, so if you restrict yourself to the lowest order your calculation is only #e^+e^- \rightarrow q\bar{q}#, and then the next order has an additional gluon and so on.

You might of course try to construct observables that are less sensitive to higher order corrections, but these will need their specific theory calculations that might have their own issues. As @Reggid pointed out, also a (somehow defined) two jet cross section will receive higher order corrections.
 
It's one of the very basic plots in physics. Among other things it admits you to pretty easily read off that quarks carry 3 color. You find the plot, as nearly anything on high-energy-particle physics, at the particle-data-group website:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/

For some explanations, see my slides from lectures I gave to graduate students in heavy-ion collisions:

https://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/hqm-lectweek14/index.html

(particularly Theory Lecture I).
 

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