Half integer orbital momentum, following Griffiths

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The discussion centers on the nature of orbital angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically the quantum number "l" as presented in Griffiths' textbook. Participants explore the derivation of "l" as both an integer and a half-integer, examining the implications of these findings on the cyclic nature of the angular variable φ.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Griffiths presents two derivations of the quantum number "l," one leading to whole integers due to the cyclic nature of φ, while the other allows for half-integers through angular momentum operators.
  • Another participant explains that "l" is related to the spectral value of the orbital angular momentum operator, concluding that "l" must be a positive integer when considering the self-adjoint nature of the operator.
  • There is a suggestion that the algebraic development of angular momentum, which includes both integer and half-integer values, is more fundamental than the derivation that restricts "l" to integers.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the restrictions on the form of the rotation generators, indicating that insisting on L = r × p leads to only integral values being allowed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether orbital angular momentum must be a whole integer or if half-integer values are permissible. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the reconciliation of these two perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the derivations and the definitions of angular momentum types, which may affect the conclusions drawn by participants.

Tomer
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Hello everyone, and thanks for reading.

I'm having a difficult time understanding something.
On yet another attempt to deepen my quantum mechanics understanding I referred to the widely recommended book of Griffiths.
I find the book indeed very good and pretty thorough in it's scope. There is one thing however I was unable to get from the book.
Griffiths develops the quantum number "l" in two different ways: In the first way - the "ugly" way, "l"'s origin is being a separation variable (more accurately, l(l+1) ) between the radial and angular expressions retrieved from the spherical Hamiltonian while looking for separable solutions. In this development however he concludes that l has to be a whole integer because of the cyclic nature [itex]\phi[/itex] imposes. ([itex]e^{i\phi} = e^{i\phi + 2\pi})[/itex].

Later, he develops the angular momentum operators which carry their "l"'s as their eigenvalues, and with help of ladder operators shows eventually the equivalence of this l with the last l.
However, in this way, he concludes that l isn't nessecarily whole, and that also half-integers are allowed.

What he doesn't bother to explain, is how come we didn't get these values from the first technique? How come we get a condition that forces that l's to be whole? And how do the half integers not contradict the cyclic nature of [itex]\phi[/itex]?

Thanks a lot!

Tomer.
 
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Well, essentially it boils down to what the small <l> stands for. In technical terms, it's the related to the spectral value of a linear operator which represents the square of the ORBITAL angular momentum operator, denoted by [itex]\displaystyle{\hat{\vec{L}}}[/itex] . Since we know that

[tex]\hat{\vec{L}} = \hat{\vec{r}} \times \hat{\vec{p}}[/tex]

and we're asking for L's components and for L^2 to be self-adjoint, solving the spectral problem for L^2 (= solving 2 Sturm-Liouville ODE's derived from a linear PDE) we're forced to conclude that <l> must be a positive integer and <m> be linked to <l> in a specific way (<m> is the spectral value of [itex]\displaystyle{\hat{L}}_z[/itex]).

When people talk in a general manner about angular momentum, not necessarily orbital one, they should use a different notation, namely J and <j>, respectively.

The general theory of J makes <j> to be either positive and integer, or positive and semi-integer. In a way, the set of all <l>'s in included in the set of all <j>'s.
 
Alright, so orbital angular momentum has to be a whole integer, and the parallel, algebraic development shows the possible values of a somewhat "generalized" angular momentum which includes the spin?
 
Tomer said:
Alright, so orbital angular momentum has to be a whole integer, and the parallel, algebraic development shows the possible values of a somewhat "generalized" angular momentum which includes the spin?

The "algebraic" development (i.e., representing the generic rotation group generators as Hermitian operators on a Hilbert space and deriving their spectrum) should be regarded as more fundamental. From this comes the result that angular momentum is quantized to integer and half-integer values.

Adding the extra restriction on the form of the rotation generators, i.e., insisting that [itex]L = r \times p[/itex], has the consequence that only integral values of quantized angular momentum are allowed in that case.

Ballentine explains all this pretty well in his chapter on angular momentum.
 
Thanks very much for the replies, I think I got it, more or less :-)
 

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