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The forum discussion centers on the Hamiltonian eigenstate problem related to Larmor precession, specifically addressing the Hamiltonian defined as H = (ħ/2) * [[ω₀, ω₁δ(t-t')], [ω₁δ(t-t'), ω₀]]. Participants clarify that the δ functions represent Dirac delta functions, leading to complications when t equals t'. The discussion concludes that while eigenstates can be determined for time-independent Hamiltonians (t < t' and t > t'), the time-dependent nature of the Hamiltonian complicates the identification of eigenstates across different times. The solution involves integrating the Schrödinger equation to relate states before and after the application of the magnetic field pulse.

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Hi PF members,

I am stuck with a problem about larmor precession. I cannot find the eigenstates of the hamiltonian given as

H = \frac{\hbar}{2}\begin{pmatrix} \omega_{0} &amp; \omega_{1}\delta(t-t&#039;) \\ \omega_{1}\delta(t-t&#039;) &amp; \omega_{0} \end{pmatrix}

Can anyone help me? Since it has time dependence I cannot figure out how to solve this problem.

Thank you.
 
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Any advice :(
 
coki2000 said:
Hi PF members,
H = \frac{\hbar}{2}\begin{pmatrix} \omega_{0} &amp; \omega_{1}\delta(t-t&#039;) \\ \omega_{1}\delta(t-t&#039;) &amp; \omega_{0} \end{pmatrix}
I'm confused: are those ##\delta##'s Dirac delta functions? If so, then ##\hat{H}(t)## is ill-defined when ##t=t'##. (The integral ##\int \hat{H}(t) dt## can still be defined using step functions.)

I think there might be a typo in there, too. The usual way to write ##\hat{H}## for a spin-1/2 in a ##\mathbf{B}## field is:
##
\hat{H}
= - \tfrac{\hbar\omega_{0}}{2}\hat{\sigma}_z
= \frac{\hbar \omega_{0}}{2}\begin{bmatrix} -1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix}
##
 
NegativeDept said:
I'm confused: are those ##\delta##'s Dirac delta functions? If so, then ##\hat{H}(t)## is ill-defined when ##t=t'##. (The integral ##\int \hat{H}(t) dt## can still be defined using step functions.)

I think there might be a typo in there, too. The usual way to write ##\hat{H}## for a spin-1/2 in a ##\mathbf{B}## field is:
##
\hat{H}
= - \tfrac{\hbar\omega_{0}}{2}\hat{\sigma}_z
= \frac{\hbar \omega_{0}}{2}\begin{bmatrix} -1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix}
##

Yes, they are dirac-delta functions. Those dirac-deltas stand there for representing a magnetic field pulse in x direction at t = t'
 
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Any ideas?
 
coki2000 said:
Yes, they are dirac-delta functions. Those dirac-deltas stand there for representing a magnetic field pulse in x direction at t = t'
When ##t \neq t'##, ##\hat{H}## is ##\tfrac{1}{2}\hbar \omega_0## times the identity matrix. Then every vector is an eigenvector with eigenvalue ##\tfrac{1}{2}\hbar \omega_0##.

When ##t = t'##, ##\hat{H}## is
##
\hat{H} = \frac{\hbar}{2}
\begin{bmatrix}
\omega_0 & \infty \\
\infty & \omega_0
\end{bmatrix}
##
Then ##\hat{H}## is ill-defined. This is why I think the problem has somehow been miscommunicated.
 
NegativeDept said:
When ##t \neq t'##, ##\hat{H}## is ##\tfrac{1}{2}\hbar \omega_0## times the identity matrix. Then every vector is an eigenvector with eigenvalue ##\tfrac{1}{2}\hbar \omega_0##.

When ##t = t'##, ##\hat{H}## is
##
\hat{H} = \frac{\hbar}{2}
\begin{bmatrix}
\omega_0 & \infty \\
\infty & \omega_0
\end{bmatrix}
##
Then ##\hat{H}## is ill-defined. This is why I think the problem has somehow been miscommunicated.

Yes I understand your point. But problem says that we apply an instantaneous magnetic field in x direction on the precessing particle at time t'. I tried to solve this like the dirac-delta potential problem but it is different I think. Because in this case I cannot find a time dependent wave function for the initial hamiltonian since now potential is time dependent. So we cannot separate time dependent solution and time-independent solution.
 
When the Hamiltonian is time-dependent, there aren't really "eigenstates." Or rather, for a given t you can find the eigenstates of ##H(t)##, but the eigenstates for different t will in general be different.

However, note that for t < t' and t > t', the Hamiltonian is time-independent. You can find the eigenstates of the time-independent Hamiltonian that governs the system for these times. Then to connect t < t' to t > t' you need to integrate the Schrödinger equation

##i \hbar \frac{d}{dt} \psi(t) = H(t) \psi(t)##

over the infinitesimal interval ##t' - \epsilon < t < t' + \epsilon##. If you take ##\epsilon \to 0## this will give a simple relationship between ##\psi(t - \epsilon)## and ##\psi(t + \epsilon)##.

Mathematically, this procedure is much like the way in which you solve the time-independent Schrödinger equation for the potential ##V(x) = -V_0 \delta(x-x_0)##.
 
The_Duck said:
When the Hamiltonian is time-dependent, there aren't really "eigenstates." Or rather, for a given t you can find the eigenstates of ##H(t)##, but the eigenstates for different t will in general be different.

However, note that for t < t' and t > t', the Hamiltonian is time-independent. You can find the eigenstates of the time-independent Hamiltonian that governs the system for these times. Then to connect t < t' to t > t' you need to integrate the Schrödinger equation

##i \hbar \frac{d}{dt} \psi(t) = H(t) \psi(t)##

over the infinitesimal interval ##t' - \epsilon < t < t' + \epsilon##. If you take ##\epsilon \to 0## this will give a simple relationship between ##\psi(t - \epsilon)## and ##\psi(t + \epsilon)##.

Mathematically, this procedure is much like the way in which you solve the time-independent Schrödinger equation for the potential ##V(x) = -V_0 \delta(x-x_0)##.

But in the larmor precession case, eigenvectors of the hamiltonian is all time-independent. How can I know the before and after wave functions. Before and after time t' wave functions are same.
 
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Here is the main nontrivial part of the problem:

Suppose the state of the system at ##t = t' - \epsilon## is ##\psi_0##. What is the state at ##t = t' + \epsilon##? Assume ##\epsilon## is infinitesimal.

You can get the answer to this sub-problem by integrating the Schrödinger equation over the time interval in question.

Once you have solved this sub-problem, you should be able to extend it to answer the general question: given the state of the system at any time ##t_1##, what is the state at any other time ##t_2##?
 

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