Hankel Functions: Solutions to Cylindrical Wave Equation

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The discussion revolves around the role of Hankel functions as solutions to the cylindrical wave equation, contrasting them with Bessel functions. Participants explore the mathematical properties and physical interpretations of these functions in the context of wave solutions, particularly in quantum mechanics and other physical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why Hankel functions are necessary for cylindrical wave equations when Bessel functions are described as generalized sine and cosine functions, which are solutions to the wave equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that Hankel functions are linear combinations of Bessel functions of the first and second kind, suggesting a relationship between them.
  • A participant expresses frustration that a referenced Wikipedia page does not address their specific question about Hankel functions.
  • There is a query regarding which boundary conditions are relevant to the discussion of Hankel functions and Bessel functions.
  • One participant notes that the solutions to the Bessel ordinary differential equation (ODE) can include various types of Bessel functions depending on the parameters, including Bessel functions of the third kind.
  • A participant emphasizes that the physical requirement for solutions to represent outward traveling waves is crucial and asks how Hankel functions fulfill this requirement compared to Bessel functions.
  • Another participant argues that Bessel and Neumann functions correspond to sine and cosine functions, which do not represent traveling waves, while Hankel functions correspond to exponential forms that do represent traveling waves.
  • A later reply agrees that sines and cosines do not serve as traveling wave solutions to the Schrödinger equation, reinforcing the idea that exponential forms are necessary for such solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and role of Hankel functions versus Bessel functions in representing traveling wave solutions. There is no consensus on the specific conditions under which each function is applicable, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of boundary conditions and physical requirements.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various types of Bessel functions and their relationships, but the discussion lacks clarity on specific boundary conditions and the implications of different parameter values in the ODEs.

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How are Hankel functions the solutions of the cylindrical wave equation and the Bessel functions aren't? My textbook says the the two Bessel functions are like generalized sines and cosines.Now sine and cosine are solution to the wave equation so why do we need the Hankel to do the job in cylindrical system?Is it because they are complex and the wave functions are complex in QM?I seriously doubt that.
 
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Well I already looked that page up.It does not help.And I know very well what Hankel functions are.That is not what I was asking.
 
Which boundary conditions?
 
Depending on the parameters of the Bessel ODE, the solutions can be either

* Bessel functions of the 1st kind
* Bessel functions of the 2nd kind
* Bessel functions of the 3rd kind

and there are also spherical Bessel functions...

It all dependens on the ODE and the possible values of the parameters. The solutions to these ODE are described in special functions books (starting with the old thick book by Watson).
 
Yes I am talking about the Bessel functions of the third kind.They are actually two independent linear combinations of the Bessel and the Neumann functions.

The boundary conditions, or rather the physical requirement of the situation is that the solution to the ODE represent outward traveling waves. This is what I am asking.How do the Hankel functions represent traveling wave solutions and Bessel functions of the first and second kind do not?
 
the Bessel and Neumann functions correspond to sin and cos functions which are also not traveling waves, while the Hankel functions correspond to ##\exp(\pm ikx-i\omega t)## which are traveling waves(the x(t) for which the exponent is constant travel at constant speed; ##x(t)=\mp \omega t/k ##). This should be evident from the asymptotic expansion of the Hankel functions for large x.
 
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You are right.The sines and cosines aren't traveling wave solutions to the Schrödinger equation(while they may be traveling wave solutions to the string equation).Only the exponential should work and this is reflected similarly in the Bessel and Hankel functions.
 

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