Harmonic Function (time averages)

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The discussion revolves around the time-average of time-harmonic functions, specifically questioning the assertion that this average is always zero. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of harmonic functions and their averages in the context of sinusoidal functions.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the definition of time averages and why the average of a time-harmonic function is stated to be zero. Some participants provide insights into the mathematical formulation of averages and question the conditions under which the average is considered zero.

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Participants are actively questioning the validity of the statement regarding the time-average being always zero. There is an exploration of conditions related to the period of the function and the implications of the time interval used in the average calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical computation of the average, but no consensus has been reached on the original assertion.

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There is mention of notes from a lecturer that assert the time-average of any time-harmonic function is always zero, but participants are questioning this claim based on their understanding and calculations. The discussion also touches on the context of complex vectors and phasor notation in relation to sinusoidal functions.

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Homework Statement


The time-average of any time-harmonic function is always zero.

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[tex]<v(t)> = \frac{1}{T} \int_{0}^{T}v(t)dt = \frac{1}{T} \int_{0}^{T}V_{0}cos(\omega t + \phi)dt \equiv 0[/tex]

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A harmonic function I think is defined as a sinusoidal function with some sort of fixed period, and a given phase. Here, I am just trying to understand notes I am reading. I don't understand why there is fraction of [tex]\frac{1}{T}[/tex] in the equation above. Could someone also
explain to me why the time averages is initially defined as [tex]<v(t)> = \frac{1}{T} \int_{0}^{T}v(t)dt[/tex], and why it is set to zero.Thanks,Jeffrey
 
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In general, we define the average value of a function, f, on some interval [a,b] by,

[tex]\bar{f} = \frac{1}{b-a}\int^{a}_{b}f\left(x\right)\; dx[/tex]

Effectively what we are doing is summing the value of the function, f, at a set of equally spaced points along the interval [a,b], then dividing by the number of points. We then take the limit as the number of points approaches infinity to obtain the formula quoted above. See http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math101/notes/applications/average.html" for more information.

Now in terms of your integral, T represents the time interval and therefore we set T = b - a and integrate along the segment [0,T].

Now, let's take a closer look at your example. Your integrand is most definitely a time-harmonic function, so let's compute the average explicitly:

[tex]\bar{v} = \frac{V_0}{T}\int^T_0 \cos\left(\omega t + \phi\right)\; dt[/tex]

[tex]\bar{v} = \frac{V_0}{T\omega}\left.\sin\left(\omega t + \phi\right)\right|_0^T\; dt[/tex]

Hence, [itex]\bar{v}[/itex] is zero iff,

[tex]\sin\left(\omega T + \phi\right) = \sin\left(\phi\right)[/tex]

which reduces to

[tex]\omega T = 2n\pi\;\;\;,\;\;\; n\in\mathbb{Z}[/itex]<br /> <br /> Hence, the time-average of a time-harmonic function is zero iff,<br /> <br /> [tex]T = \frac{n}{f}[/tex]<br /> <br /> i.e. iff the time interval of integration is an integer multiple of the period.[/tex]
 
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That makes sense, but why does my notes say it is always zero?
 
jeff1evesque said:
That makes sense, but why does my notes say it is always zero?
Without seeing your notes, I couldn't possibly say. Do your notes give any conditions or definitions on T?
 
Hootenanny said:
Without seeing your notes, I couldn't possibly say. Do your notes give any conditions or definitions on T?

It just says, The time-average of any time-harmonic function is always zero.
 
jeff1evesque said:
It just says, The time-average of any time-harmonic function is always zero.
Well that simply isn't true, as you can plainly see from explicitly computing the time-average of a general time-harmonic function. If T was the period, then I would agree with the statement, but in general it isn't true.

Are you using a textbook, or are these class notes?
 
Hootenanny said:
Well that simply isn't true, as you can plainly see from explicitly computing the time-average of a general time-harmonic function.

Are you using a textbook, or are these class notes?

PDF notes from the lecturer. In this particular section of notes, we are discussing complex vectors and phasor notation to discuss sinusoidal varying vectors.
 

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