Harmonic motion of the dipole?

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The discussion revolves around the harmonic motion of a dipole in an electric field, focusing on energy conservation and the dynamics of angular motion. The original poster presents equations related to the potential and kinetic energy of the dipole, as well as questions about the behavior of torque and angular velocity.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the angular velocity of the dipole and its period of harmonic motion, questioning the transition from potential to kinetic energy and the approximation used for torque. Participants raise questions about the conditions under which certain approximations apply and the implications for potential energy at specific angles.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the small angle approximation for sine, while questions remain about the potential energy at specific angles and the validity of the torque approximation. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored.

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the conservation of energy formula for a dipole
[tex]\Delta[/tex]K=-[tex]\Delta[/tex]U
(1/2)Iw^2=-(-qEDcos(theta))
(1/2)Iw^2=qEDcos(theta)

E-field going parallel to the y-axis. if the positive end of the dipole was in the first quad with angle theta from the y-axis and the negative end of the dipole was in the third quad, what would be the angular velocity of the dipole at the y-axis? using theta0= theta or the angle the dipole is released.U(pi/2)=0. And what is the period of the harmonic motion of the dipole?

The answer is w=[tex]\sqrt{(2qED/I) * (1-cos(theta0)}[/tex]
1/2Iw^=qEDcos(theta). then to find the answer the change in potential energy has to go to theta0 to pi/2?? Do this work?? How do you prove the U(pi/2)=0 since at pi/2 the potential energy from theta0 has turned to kinetic energy? qED(cos(pi/2)-cos(theta0))= 0?

For the period, The harmonic formula d^2x/dt^2=-w^2x replacing x with theta d^2theta/dt^2 = w*theta
and since I*angular acceleration= torque and torque=qEdsin(theta) but my teacher changed torque to qED*theta. Why??
Then I just used I*d^2theta/dt^2 = torque or I*-w^2*theta=torque to find w. And w=2pi/T to find T.

Why was the torque changed from qEdsin(theta) to qEd*theta? And is the harmonic formula d^2x/dt^2=-w^2x the same no matter what?Thanks for the help.
Stephen
 
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I have a test on this tomorrow, so could someone please look at the equations and the questions about how to prove U(pi/2)= 0 and why qEDsin(theta) turned into qED*theta and if the second derivative is always equal to -w^2*x for harmonic motion?


Thank you.
Stephen
 


bump.. Can anyone answer my questions?

Please! I do not understand why qEDsin(theta) turned into qED*theta
 


Hi StephenDoty,

The approximation [tex]\sin\theta\to \theta[/tex] is used when the angle [itex]\theta[/itex] is assumed to be small.

I don't understand what you are asking about [itex]U(\pi/2)[/itex]. The formula for [itex]U[/itex] shows that it is zero at the angle [itex]\pi/2[/itex]. However, the dipole never gets to that angle, so I'm not sure what you are asking.
 

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