Harnessing Gravitational Energy to Create a Timer Device

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a timer device that operates solely on gravitational energy, aiming to produce sounds at 5, 10, 15, and 20 seconds. Participants explore mechanical designs, challenges in timing, and the feasibility of self-resetting mechanisms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a design using rotating axles and gears, driven by a dropped weight, to create timed sounds.
  • Another participant points out that gravitational energy alone cannot reset the weight, likening the design to a weight-driven mechanical clock that requires manual resetting.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of creating a self-winding mechanism, with a warning against perpetual motion concepts.
  • Suggestions include using a disc driven by gravity to rotate and strike a bell at specified intervals, with pegs positioned to create the sounds.
  • Challenges in controlling the speed of the disc for accurate timing are acknowledged by participants.
  • Discussion includes historical references to clock mechanisms, such as escapements and speed governors, as potential solutions for timing issues.
  • A later suggestion involves using a heavy pendulum that strikes a bell as it swings, indicating a different mechanical approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and concerns about the design, with no consensus on a definitive solution or approach. Multiple competing views on mechanisms and timing remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the proposed designs, particularly regarding the need for external energy to reset mechanisms and the challenges of achieving precise timing.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, clock design, or gravitational energy applications may find the discussion relevant.

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My semester project is to create a device that will make a sound at 5,10 15, and 20 seconds exactly using only gravitational energy.
-My initial design used two rotating axles with two gears through them and a chain. It would begin by me dropping a weight attached to one of the axles making it rotate exactly five times and hitting something to make a sound. I would also use the inside mechanism of a tape measurer to somehow make the axle retract back into place at exactly five turns and make another sound and so forth... However this is a lot easier said than done.

Any suggestions to this idea would be helpful or something totally new would also be great.
 
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The weight will not return to the starting point without some external energy input. (Gravity is not an energy source.) In essence, you're describing a weight-driven mechanical clock -- the weight is reset by hand.
 
Thats the problem I'm facing, for somehow to reset itself or wind itself up
 
Albert1992 said:
Thats the problem I'm facing, for somehow to reset itself or wind itself up

Welcome to Physics Forums! Perpetual Motion machines and "free energy" devices are strictly prohibited here. If what you are asking about amount to one of these, your post will be locked my our monitors.

In the meantime, if you discover how to get your machine to "wind itself up" do NOT post it here in public. Send me a private message with all the details. Bobbywhy
 
Bobbywhy said:
Welcome to Physics Forums! Perpetual Motion machines and "free energy" devices are strictly prohibited here.
And incidentally, everywhere else in the universe that the laws of thermodynamics apply. :smile:

Bobbywhy said:
Send me a private message with all the details.
:bugeye:
But seriously, how many times must the bell ring? Only 5? Or does it need to ring for an arbitrarily long time? You can still use a system that winds down only once, just ensure it rings the bell as many times as necessary. Do you know how a grandfather clock works? You only have to reset its mechanism every few months.
 
5,10,15,and at 20 seconds so four times. If I use a system that winds down once I wouldn't really know how to make it make the sound four times, I guess that's how the grandfather clock would work
 
Albert1992, Thanks for the information in post #6 above. It always helps to communicate the complete "specifications" so we may better assist you with suggestions.

Consider a disc that is driven by your gravity weight so as to rotate once every 20 seconds. Insert protruding pegs at the 90, 180, 270, and 360 degree points near the circumference of the disc. These pegs ring a bell mounted near the disc as they pass by. Four complete revolutions will suffice.
 
Well I used a similar concept but I had trouble controlling the speed of the disc I was using. Getting the timing right was the challenge.
 
"Getting the timing right" was the objective of clockmakers for centuries. The "escapement" seems to have been the solution. It acts just like a speed governor.
 
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Look at old clock chimes.
For speed control they use a paddlewheel that churns the air. It's geared to the cammed wheel that's operating the striker but turns much faster and wind resistance being ω^2 you can get substantial gain.
Interesting feedback mechanism, it's used on lawnmower governors too..
 
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Albert1992 said:
My semester project is to create a device that will make a sound at 5,10 15, and 20 seconds exactly using only gravitational energy.
A heavy pendulum. As it swings by, a stick protruding from it delivers a glancing blow to a bell or tin can. :smile:
 

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