Has this russian ufo clip been debunked yet?

[Ivan Seeking]

One thing that I was thinking recently is how there was a sort of golden age of UFOs. When we do find good film of something anomalous, there are experts who can say with reasonable degree of certainty if the film is credible. But computer animations are so good now [and getting better] that I wonder if a good faked video can be debunked by analysis.

 

[robinson]

Thanks Ivan for the info on those clips. The SciFi channel one I debunked just based on the clip, the first time I saw it. But I didn't know where it came from.

Do you know about the NASA Tether experiment clip? The "swarms" of UFO's?

 

[DaveC426913]

Do you know about the NASA Tether experiment clip? The "swarms" of UFO's?

Oh this one is easy. I've debunked this one myself, and I've no special training. I'm not trying to be arrogant - you need not take my word for it. I can give you detailed timestamps and pointers and once you see them, you'll say "Oh yes. That's is totally right."

I could post it for you if you want. I could also simply http://www.astronomyforum.net/forum.html?db=&topic_number=3336&lastpost=2006-06-2316:28:38", but it's a bit of a long read.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Yep, Phil Klass debunked [explained] that one for me over ten years ago. The key feature of the "unknown objects" passing behind the tether is an artifact of the technology.

...although IIRC, there was an additional effect of saturation of some of the CCD array elements involved. I used to have a NASA link on this that explained the camera technology, but I lost it somewhere along the line.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yep, Phil Klass debunked [explained] that one for me over ten years ago. The key feature of the "unknown objects" passing behind the tether is an artifact of the technology.

...although IIRC, there was an additional effect of saturation of some of the CCD array elements involved. I used to have a NASA link on this that explained the camera technology, but I lost it somewhere along the line.

Ah. It isn't even that technical.

1] Out-of-focus objects produce an image of a large disk that is semi-transparent. When that out-of-focus object passes in front of a bright object, the bright object can be seen through the disk. If you didn't know better, you'd think the disc object passed behind the bright object. This becomes quite obvious when you see ALL the 'swarm' objects change shape - it is actually a camera focus change!


2] All the 'changing directions instantly' stuff is due to camera movement. They used some sleight-of-hand editing to disguise this, which I can draw attention to.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Okay, found it. This is the video that I was thinking of. Unfortunately it is not nearly as clear here as on my VHS copy. On tape, one can clearly see that the background object is saucer shaped... at least it sure seems clear enough. And like the first video, whatever it is, it looks completely real to me. The high quality video can be seen on the Best Evidence II show.


Note that I'm not saying that this is an alien spacecraft or proof of anything, I am saying that it stands out as a very interesting video and worthy of scrutiny. I have never seen the film analyzed or debunked, nor do I know where it came from.

 

[grant9076]

From what I see, that could not be a Mig 21 cockpit here is why:

The video was taken from a cockpit where there is plenty of room behind the ejection seat (clearly not a trait of the Mig 21). Also, the 2 pitot tubes on the ejector seat indicate that it is an Aces II ejector seat which is used on American built fighter aircraft.

I conclude that the video is a hoax.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

You are referring to the first video, and if you read the thread you will see that we already know about the seat.

Something else: That does not explain what the object is in the video. It still might be worth checking to see if the size of the object can be determined. It's probably just a smart missile...

In the video posted just above, the object of interest does not appear to be a standard craft or a missile.

 

[Harbinger]

Geez, this is obvious bunk. The 'object' appears to move uniformly with the jet rather than with the clouds behind it. The rough camera quality makes it hard to tell what it really is but, it looks to me like a pen cap stuck on the tip of a long skinny wire- made invisible by the poor camera quality. The front pilot is holding the 'pen cap' against the inside of the canopy while the rear pilot shoots the bunk video- probably coaching the front pilot no how to move.

I think there is a frame or two in the video in which, as the jet turns, you can just bearly see a dull reflection off of that wire.