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No, the Romans called him Bacchus, who was then perverted from the god of wine and ecstasy, into the god of the drunken brawl.Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Same guy known as Pan by the
Romans?
No, the Romans called him Bacchus, who was then perverted from the god of wine and ecstasy, into the god of the drunken brawl.Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Same guy known as Pan by the
Romans?
Originally posted by hypnagogue
but none that holds a candle to the one 'asbolute unitive' experience I've had.
Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Hypnogogue,
Although the thread addresses
mystical states in general I'm
limiting my assertion to ecstatic
states.
If you read Zen Mind/Beginner's
Mind the author (a Zen Master -
Suzuki) advises people who go
into Zen looking for some wonder-
ful experience they would be better off trying some kind of drug.
Originally posted by radagast
This has nothing to do with ecstatic states, it has to do with flawed expectations. Zen is hard, brutally hard. Damned painful, when it comes down to it. Tack onto that, that you have to start facing all of your own shortcomings - probably more painful than the physical discomfort of the meditation. We can all face our virtues, but facing our flaws is uncomfortable, in the extreme. When sitting in the calm of your own mind there is no place to hide.
Originally posted by Royce
I have read of others who have gone into week long intense Zen meditation sessions crying and sobbing uncontrolably for no conscious reason. I know I experiences intense emotional pain at time but knew then that it was because I couldn't or wouldn't express it or endure it at the time of the hurt. Getting rid of all of this is what we mean when we say we feel lighter and freer. It also makes us more healthy mentally and physically for the same reason.